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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:53 PM
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Navy to spend $600,000 to mask 'hateful' swastika-shaped barracks
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 02:53 PM by kpete
Navy to spend $600,000 to mask 'hateful' swastika-shaped barracks
RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday September 26, 2007



"The U.S. Navy has decided to spend as much as $600,000 for landscaping and architectural modifications to obscure the fact that one its building complexes looks like a swastika from the air," Tony Perry reports in Monday's edition of the LA Times. "The four L-shaped buildings, constructed in the late 1960s, are part of the amphibious base at Coronado and serve as barracks for Seabees."

The article continues, "But once people began looking at satellite images from Google Earth, they started commenting about on blogs and websites about how much the buildings resembled the symbol used by the Nazis."

LA Times article:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-swastika26sep26,0,2973328.story?coll=la-home-center
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Navy_to_spend_600000_to_mask_0926.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:54 PM
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1. Wonder who okayed the original blueprints.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:54 PM
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2. Well, that's money well spent...
:crazy:

Sid
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:55 PM
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3. wow that's weird
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:55 PM
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4. What will it cost to mask the fact that our leaders look like nazis?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:56 PM
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6. Science may not have progressed that far.
Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:25 PM
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20. Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
:bounce: :yourock: :bounce:

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 05:03 PM
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40. Corporate media does that job for free
They consider it a public service, that also pays them dividends.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:56 PM
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5. Kinda silly unless they were purposefully intended to look like swastikas
Could very well be misconstrued to be the Indian symbol the Nazi's stole for their symbol as well.

Just seem stupid...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:05 PM
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9. Ya think it was purposeful?
How could it not be? :shrug:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:20 PM
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16. Apart from the political associations, it's a good design
The design allows for a lot of windows, 4 courtyards and parking near entrances around the building. :shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:26 PM
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21. They could have done the same with three wings or five.
:shrug:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:48 PM
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27. well a square is obviously easier to build, and a more efficient use of the lot than 3 or 5 wings.
but the 'problem' would be easily solved by adding covered walkways across the entrances of the courtyards to form a square.




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:54 PM
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28. Sure, or they could have made the angle of the wings more accute.
Lots or alternatives. :shrug:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:27 PM
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22. It represented airplanes flying
you have to view it in context of the shape of the building next to it.

The idea that Navy Airmen whose fellow soldiers were killed by Nazis would honor them is one of the most ridiculous ideas yet.

Kudos to them for taking the high road and caving in to the tinfoil hat brigade on the internet and fixing it. Hopefully they'll be able to put some of the money to good use in other ways of improving the buildings.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:30 PM
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25. To recognize images from your cultural history doesn't make you a kook.
It makes you literate.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:34 PM
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35. To assume members of the military
who put their lives on the line in war would pay tribute to a government that tried to kill them and did kill hundreds of thousands of their fellow countrymen is preposterous, illogical and so far out of line it does sound kooky.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:50 PM
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38. What do members of the military have to do with this?
If this design did come from someone who was suited up, shame on them. What is it about the Pentagram that they can't build buildings that don't reflect some cultural horror?

Oh, and you might want to forward the memo to Gen. Petraeus and all the other generals that have been selling us down the river for years now, paying tribute to a government that has been killing us for years now.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:59 PM
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39. Look up the image on Google Earth
its at Coronado Island, CA. You will see there are three buildings in the overall design. One is the swastika representing Nazis. Next to it are two buildings in the shape of bombers flying towards it. Get it? Bombers destroying Nazis.

The buildings are military barracks, hence military men live in the buildings. Regualar navy airmen, etc.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:00 PM
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7. That location has been infamous since Google Earth first hit the internet
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:02 PM
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8. What about the pentagon then?
THE WITNESS: Jerry Rubin told me that he had come to New York to be project director of a peace march in Washington that was going to march to the Pentagon in October, October 21. He said that the peace movement suffered from a certain kind of attitude, mainly that it was based solely on the issue of the Vietnam war. He said that the war in Vietnam was not just an accident but a direct by-product of the kind of system, a capitalist system in the country, and that we had to begin to put forth new kinds of values, especially to young people in the country, to make a kind of society in which a Vietnam war would not be possible.
And he felt that these attitudes and values were present in the hippie movement and many of the techniques, the guerrilla theater techniques that had been used and many of these methods of communication would allow for people to participate and become involved in a new kind of democracy.
I said that the Pentagon was a five-sided evil symbol in most religions and that it might be possible to approach this from a religious point of view. If we got large numbers of people to surround the Pentagon, we could exorcize it of its evil spirits.
So I had agreed at that point to begin working on the exorcism of the Pentagon demonstration.




Abbie Hoffman's comment about levitating the building during the October 21, 1967 demonstration became the basis for the plot element in the metafictional novel Illuminatus! by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson that the soldiers prevented the levitation because it also would have exorcised the Lovecraftian Outer God Yog-Sothoth, deliberately entrapped within the Pentagon by the Illuminati.<1>



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:06 PM
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10. That's why I call it The Pentagram. n/t
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:12 PM
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13. Someone is confusing pentagons and pentagrams.
Pentagram -

Pentagon -


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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:17 PM
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34. I hope you're joking
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 05:16 PM by Zensea
where's your sense of humor if you're not?
I know a pentagon and a pentagram are not the same thing.
Sheesh.
You do realize that Abbie Hoffman was a major league prankster?
It's not meant to be taken seriously.

But:evilgrin: if you were going to take it seriously, there is a pentagon inside the star in that pentagram. See it?
So there!
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:11 PM
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31. Oh for Pete's sake!
The Pentagon is 5 sided because the original plot of land for it was 5 sided and that shape would have allowed the largest building spacewise for the cost. It was later moved due to political pressure to avoid blocking the view from Arlington Cemetery.

Forget this goofy bs, there is a factual reason for the shape. Also, a pentagon is NOT a pentagram. Geez.
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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:15 PM
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32. I think you need more irony in your diet
Get a grip.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:09 PM
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11. Artist's Rendering of new design
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:15 PM
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15. ...
:spray:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:30 PM
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26. !
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:12 PM
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12. This is a lot of hoohaa over nothing.
$600,000 for landscaping?

Constructed in the 60's and hardly an intentional slight to anyone. And it's only possible to see from the air or on Google?

I never make lighten up posts, but this was irresistible.

:wtf:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:13 PM
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14. Covered walkways between buildings should do the trick. nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:21 PM
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17. BINGO
Though I don't think this entirely necessary, we do have a major image problem because we're kinda like the evil empire and stuff.

But 600,000 smackers? Come on... who got the contract? Halliburton? :eyes:

Probably.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:24 PM
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19. Really! The SeaBees should do it as a weekend project. "Can do!" nt
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:08 PM
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30. Nah, not enough zeros. nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:22 PM
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18. Oh, great. They'll put "laurels" around a "swastika."
That'll help. Uh-huh. :eyes:
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:29 PM
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23. About damn time.
Yeah they knew. I have copies of some of the original prints and there is no way that could have just "happened". It is plain as could be on the aerial layout view. There are also two other buildings that depending on who you ask look like either crosses or airplanes heading toward the swastika.

Conspiracy theories aside, that L-shaped building is a standard design for a barracks, but they sure could've paid a bit more attention to how they were laid out. Of course in 1967 when the buildings were under construction, who would've thought the entire world would have an aerial view? And IIRC, $600K was about the original construction price.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:29 PM
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24. Maybe Ward Cleaver had something to do with it!
He was in the Seabees, or so he kept telling the Beav.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 03:57 PM
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29. Maybe Ward Churchill had something to do with it!
Since the designers were probably Little Eichmanns. Or so he told the Beav. (Who is not a little Eichmann--but that Eddie Haskell sure as hell was!)
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PDenton Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:16 PM
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33. The svastika
is a compact shape that has alot of surface area. It makes sense it would eventually turn up somewhere. It is just coincidental, a case of the mind seeing what it wants to see out of a random image.

BTW, svastikas are part of many Indian and Chinese religions.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:36 PM
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36. What a stupid waste of money. (nm)
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 04:49 PM
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37. Proposal for refurbishment:
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 05:15 PM by tomeboy
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:21 PM
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41. Must have been designed by that architect named Nostradamus!
Got Fascism Yet?
http://web.archive.org/web/20030602211200/
Fascism Accomplished!
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