50 West high school Students Tossed from year's first dance for "Freak Dancing"

News 10, California
Tracy Students Tossed for "Freak Dancing"

Administrators say every year, students at West High School push the limits on a "freak dancing" ban; the practice of rubbing up against and sometimes simulating sex with dance partners.

But last Friday, principal Herman Calad said it got out of control, forcing up to 50 students to be tossed out of the year's first dance.

"(The dancing was) very intimate, overt sexual activity with their clothes on. And it's very explicit and it's very vulgar," said Calad.

Students reacted with frustration, saying they should not be kept from doing the popular dance moves.

"It was a group of girls, we were all dancing and they just said, 'You know, we don't like the way you're dancing. You've got to get out,'" said freshman Tarah Papendick.

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Or you dont have a daughter.IMHO

Look at what I actually WROTE. Look at it without lamely assuming what you THINK I think about the subject matter.

Then look at your self-righteous response.

Where, from what I wrote, do you infer--and it's a massive, gassive chunk of "inferring" that you are doing--that I haven't seen the dances, don't have a daughter, and that I somehow "approve" of the activity.

All I did was postulate an alternative, and you're off to the races with a shitload of bogus assumptions. You logic is, to put it mildly, wanting.

Why would you suggest a minuet?

Now line dancing or square dancing? That could be a gym class so kids could learn for the actual nighttime dances.

were actually taught in some public schools. And by 'dark ages' I am referring to the post-WW2 era. I learned the minuet in a public school music class, actually.

I have. I do it all the time. I love it.

He can't account for every geek and loser...

:-)

I demand satisfaction. :spank:

The claim stands, sir or madam! It stands!

:evilgrin:

It is also incredibly sexy. So what? We need to loosen up a little.

I'll ask you what I used to ask my high school students: would you want to see the chaperones start doing it? If the parents and teachers started dancing like that in front of all the kids, would that be okay?

Simulating sex in public, on school grounds, no less, and making other people watch it is not okay. Do you really want the adults there watching that and thinking it's okay? What does that make those adults?

If you want to dance like that, go somewhere else that's safe to do that in--a house, a club, whatever. I still don't think it's appropriate behavior, but at least then you're not making your teachers watch you pretending to have sex right in front of them.

Oh, and how okay is it that the guy gets to rub himself all over the girl and the girl gets nothing out of it? I'm just sayin' . . .

it sounds like it REALLY DOES simulate sex!

It's about using the woman's body for the man's pleasure (they usually simulate doggy style, and last I checked, that doesn't do a massive amount for most women).

i've made the acquaintance of at least some women(my wife included) whose favorite position is doggy-style.

The guy's rubbing his pleasure center and getting off, but the woman's not getting any rubbing or anything at all other than to be used as a masturbation object. Sorry to be blunt, but that's something I have against that entire style of dancing.

As far as raw sexuality goes the tango has freak dancing beat by miles.

All of dancing is simply an abstraction of sex, and so are youth dances for that matter.

I'm not naive enough to believe kids are not sexual at that age (I was 16 the first time), but we as a society are prematurily sexualizing our youth (if thats even a term).

My wife and I were shopping last night, walked by the training bras and were a bit surprised. Since when did training bras come padded and push-up style?

Should we have an age limit?

Dancing is a courtship ritual and a safe outlet for sexual energy. But no, let's keep all the safe outlets bottled up. That would leave what?

Perhaps we should just give up and go back to looking like this:

lol. I might have agreed with you a few years ago, but it's easy to be more objective about writhing teenagers when you don't have one yourself ;)

I mean, after all, they are going to go do it somewhere else anyway. Screw public decency.

"Here honey, use our bed, where your mother and I conceived you. Oh, and would you like some pot or alcohol.. it takes the edge off things and I know your going to go do it somewhere else anyway and our puritan world just doesn't get it, if they did, you could do it on a public park bench or on the bleachers during a dance"

on a dance floor, not actual intercourse. Of course you will have to move on to something actually illegal or even possibly wrong, as there simply is nothing wrong with freak dancing, other than it makes uptight assholes uptight.

And you can assume anything you want about my family life. I assume nothing about yours. Your statements pretty much stand by themselves regardless of how many teen age daughters you might be trying to repress the natural sexuality of.

What a joke. LOL. You're hilarious.

In fact, it strikes me as indecent.

First of all, they weren't fucking hauled off to jail. They were kicked out. Got any kids, btw?

Children in our society our sexualized waay too young. And schools have every right to have rules regarding behavior.

criminalize the unwanted behavior. After all if "Children in our society our sexualized waay too young. And schools have every right to have rules regarding behavior." then why not society at large? Think of the children.

By all means lets put an age limit on pushup bras and dirty dancing. The violaters must be punished. I suggest public humiliation.

and allow freak dancing, fine. But this is a school event. Guess what? Schools have the right to have rules regulating behavior. And of course you're erecting the most absurd strawman. No one is suggesting putting an age limit on pushup bras or dirty dancing. And no one is suggesting public humiliation.

Again, do you have children?

It is an outrage! Girls grinding against girls! I suggest whippings. Think of the children.

Can't you find something real to be outraged about?

Oh, and I gather by your refusal to respond that you don't have kids.

I just love folks who insist on demanding your personal history, such as the quantity and gender of any children you might have, in order to attack your position. Regarding that information, it really is none of your business.

Regarding the sense I might be making, if freak dancing is bad behavior that children must not engage in, then surely it makes sense to forbid children from engaging in this bad behavior. If we should ban it at school, why not everywhere?

By the way I am not outraged about freak dancing, you are. Also, this incident reeks of homophobia, a point which none of you uptight folks choose to address.

My son became sexually active at 16. Did it bother me? Not in the slightest. I talked with him about the importance of using condoms.
An uptight prude of a parent I was not. And I didn't say freak dancing was bad, I said it's inappropriate as a school sponsored dance-particularly when it's being done by 14 and 15 year olds. Lots of behaviors aren't appropriate at school.

The more of these kids that grow up without any values of self-worth, lack of morality, the more drones enter the corporate machine to be used as commodities. Hell even the Disney channel is pushing kids to become whores at an early age. Yes yes, let's encourage the future breeding stock. Yes kids, by all means, fuck as many of each other as possible before 21. It will make you popular, a "winner"! iT's just meaningless sex. It will have no bearing on your future ability to have a meaningful relationship/marriage. Nawww, go on, bang away. If you can't see that turning a blind eye to this kind of public display of sexual simulation doesn't lead to the back seat for the real show, then, hey, is your daughter busy tonight?

Jesus Christ, what a great society we've become...

Yeah, only a prude would object to kids pseudo-fucking on the gym floor in front of their parents and teachers.

You certainly are, uh, interested in this issue eh?

What exactly do you mean by that?

trivial, meaningless story? Methinks these puritans you're blaming aren't the ones obsessing about teen sex!

Between being accused of having no say in the matter as I must obviously be childless or I too would be demanding an end to this outrage, and now being told that my opposition to puritan idiocy must surely be evidence of a purient interest in sex with teenagers, I'd say my point about what you and your pals are up to is well proven. Thanks for making my case for me.

Anyhow this incident was a matter of homophobia. The problem was lesbian behavior openly on display. How dare those girls flaunt their wild side like that?

The reason children are becoming sexualized younger and younger is because of adults who keep drilling it into their heads that their natural biological feelings are "wrong", "dirty", "sinful", etc.

them using sex-ladden images and selling them sex-suggestive products.

There is a WORLD of difference between sexual repression and learning sexual discrimination/choice.

At issue with freak dancing is our society's total lack of appropriate outlets for kids energy.

Just like drugs. It isn't "Just Say No".

It's providing kids with ALTERNATIVE outlets in which to channel their energy. Sports, art, music, volunteer instead of drugs. Learning alternative dance styles etc instead of dry humping on the dance floor.

And when it comes to teens and sex and school dances, there is such a thing called decorum.

Society no longer bothers to teach it to kids.

Why NOT teach the kids Swing Dancing?

What a great way to have exercise and get down. Heck that used to be considered indecent.

Or Line Dancing?

The more you tell them not to do something, the more likely they will do it.

Honestly, why do people so quickly forget what it's like to be a teenager? Don't you even remember your mindset at that age? Do you truly believe teenagers will gladly take up line dancing? :eyes:

This was a school dance. Kids were doing it of their own volition.

Swing dancing?



No, nothing sexual about that.

:eyes:

So what? What exactly is wrong with that? Be specific.

By all means. Now please give an exact definition of 'dry humping' such that it will pass muster as not too vague to be enforceable.

But schools have the right to ban that type of dancing at school functions.

"They can dance and "court" without actually dry humping in public. (eom)"
You did not restrict your proposed ban to school.

However if this hard to define activity should be banned in school, why not everywhere in public? Kissing too. Holding hands - not in public! Hugs: go and do that in your home you slut!

The poster I responded to clearly stated "in public". You jump in and claim to know her intention and meaning. Dry-hump that nonsense.

I thought this was a public message board.

Thank you for clarifying. :eyes:

We are talking about freak dancing at school dances. That is the topic of the thread. Freak dancing often is indistinguishable from dry humping. Your argument is that trying to put reasonable limits on the way kids dance at a school function is like suppressing all sexual expression, thus messing the kids up because we are all such puritans that we want to repress all forms of sexual expression.

My point is that asking them to show a modicum of restraint at a school function is not unreasonable. To ask them not to essential perform the act of dry-humping in public--in front of all the other kids and the chaperones--is not asking them too much., Besides, it's merely polite not to embarrass other children (they are children at age 14) who might want to enjoy the dance without having other people's overt sexual activity--not merely hugs, kisses, or hand-holding--shoved in their faces.

But you are on a roll. You aren't interested in being reasonable. You insist that any reasonable control of behavior in public is equivalent to outlawing all forms of natural sexual expression.

Freak dancing really is often like masturbating in public. It is nothing like hugs and kisses and hand-holding. They aren't even in the same zip code.

You aren't just building straw men to knock down--you're constructing a mammoth wickerman to immolate.

I find your name wonderfully ironic.

Of course tammywammy was absolutely right and you're absolutely nit-picking.

We are talking about freak dancing at school dances. That is the topic of the thread. Freak dancing often is indistinguishable from dry humping. Your argument is that trying to put reasonable limits on the way kids dance at a school function is like suppressing all sexual expression, thus messing the kids up because we are all such puritans that we want to repress all forms of sexual expression.

My point is that asking them to show a modicum of restraint at a school function is not unreasonable. To ask them not to essential perform the act of dry-humping in public--in front of all the other kids and the chaperones--is not asking them too much., Besides, it's merely polite not to embarrass other children (they are children at age 14) who might want to enjoy the dance without having other people's overt sexual activity--not merely hugs, kisses, or hand-holding--shoved in their faces.

But you are on a roll. You aren't interested in being reasonable. You insist that any reasonable control of behavior in public is equivalent to outlawing all forms of natural sexual expression.

Freak dancing really is often like masturbating in public. It is nothing like hugs and kisses and hand-holding. They aren't even in the same zip code.

You aren't just building straw men to knock down--you're constructing a mammoth wickerman to immolate.

I find your name wonderfully ironic.

restricting it at school functions.

I think masturbation should also be restricted at school functions, and a lot of freak dancing really is public masturbation. Does that mean I want to outlaw underage masturbation. Hell no! I am with Jocelyn ELders on that--I think kids should be encouraged to use masturbation as a way of relieving sexual tension. But I would prefer that they do it privately, not on the school dance floor.

By the way, have you given any consideration to those youngsters who might be embarrassed by their more forward peers who engage in extreme behavior on the dance floor? Why should all public spaces and all public activities be ceded to the most aggressive, obnoxious, and exhibitionistic among us?

for that very reason. This is not just like "Dirty Dancing", but more like actual sex on the dance floor- with your clothes on. Pretty close to public masturbation, as you've stated, tblue37. I am no prude, but this is not appropriate for a public activity. Society in general has made sex too accepted. My daugher also told me that if she were to go out with a boy, that she would be expected to give it up by date #3. The ideas that this younger generation are forming are vastly different than ours- for example that oral sex isn't sex- and you don't lose your virginity.

Yuck. Feeling a guy's hard-on while making out IN PRIVATE was more than enough.

so there was no "criminal" accusation.

:eyes:

There might be some shampoo in the backroom . . . let me go and see what's on hand . . .

jeez.

Not to mention, I'm the mother of a 15-year-old girl, so that kind of shit makes my blood run cold. I just hope she'll keep doing as I say rather than doing as I did... ;) at least as long as possible!

When I taught, the seniors were fine, the juniors were fine, but the freshman were the worst. They had something to prove, I guess, and they were the hardest to control. And yes, it is the job of the chaperones and teachers to control the kids and make sure they follow the rules.

At a sophomore dance, two guys sandwiched a female student of mine between them and started rubbing themselves all over her while holding her arms and keeping her from getting away. I ran over as soon as I saw it and yanked her out. She was crying, and I lit into the two jerks. The instigator got kicked out of the dance entirely later when he repeated that with another guy on another one of our girls.

Not all of this is innocent fun.

Oops! Wait! :dunce:

No guidance at all?

With all the nation's media telling kids to rub up against each other, and school policy enforced by overworked and underpaid teachers, we know where the trend is leading.

Beavis & Butthead have grown up to become high school administrators?

I believe in freedom of expression , and all that but vulgarity is just

vulgarity

Not to eschew a pun: Screw the students. Ban away, school administrators.

Yes indeed, the parents are uncomfortable, so by all means screw the students.

There's dancing and then there's dry humping and sex simultation. Two entirely different things.

""It was a group of girls, we were all dancing and they just said, 'You know, we don't like the way you're dancing. You've got to get out,'" said freshman Tarah Papendick."

This is what this was about.

Thank goodness you're not a teacher, you would get eaten alive and spit out before lunch.

If you have any evidence that disputes the statement that it was a bunch of girls dancing, please provide it, otherwise deal with the facts as they are known.

They were probably just performing to impress the boys.

ok. I'm wondering what exactly would be a lesbian display.

sorts of provocative behavior as a turn-on for boys who are watching. I am sure you've heard about heterosexual men getting off on watching women engage in sexual activity. I know many young people--because I teach college, but also because I ran a home daycare for 18 years, and my daycare kids continued to come to me to talk as they grew up. (They still do, though some have kids of their own now.)

Also, as the daycare kids grew into their teenage years, many of them came to me for help and advice with their friends in tow, because their friends also needed adults to talk to. Heck, even at earlier ages, latchkey kids whose parents were never around for them to talk to used to show up on my doorstep because they'd heard about me from other kids that I was taking care of. Those kids, whose parents never paid me to take care of their kids and feed them, despite all the times I did so, still keep in touch, too. (You'd be amazed and appalled at how many parents never even bothered to find out who this adult was whom their kids were spending so much time with. They were just glad that they didn't have to be bothered with the kids' needs.)

Even my own two kids' friends used to come around to talk to me when my kids weren't around, because they needed adult input.

So I not only have known more teenagers than most other adults have (really known them as people, not just having been in their company in a superficial way), but I have also listened to them talk about things that they normally do not tell adults about.

I have a website--actually I have ten. But the one I am pointing to right now is called Who's Minding the Children (http://childrensneeds.homestead.com/index.html). I post articles about children's needs, parenting, and such things. I raised 2 kids of my own (quite successfully) as well as over 30 other children during my daycare years. I have also taught college since 1972, and I have tutored children of all ages for 22 years, especially (but not only) those with learning disabilities. Furthermore, I was a volunteer in my own kids' classrooms all during their grade school years, and I also worked part-time as a substitute teacher in various elementary schools in our district. (I used to be a part-time adjunct instructor at the university--very poor and having to have other jobs. Now I am full-time at the university.)

I have millions of readers all over the world, and many of them are teens and young adults (and for one of my sites, many are also younger children.) I have ongoing email exchanges with a lot of them, too, because they seek my advice on various matters.

My point, Warren, is that I am not talking out of my ass. I have a huge, really huge, amount of experience with children of all ages--as well as with young adults. I have also done an enormous amount of research in child psychology, child development, and sociology. To me children exist as real beings, not as abstractions for making a point. You seem to be a libertarian who feels that any rules at all are an infringement on your freedom, and who feels that children, perhaps even of whatever age, should not be subjected to rules that adults are not subjected to. You also feel that imposing behavior rules in various venues is the same as outlawing certain kinds of behavior.

But I think you probably do not know all that many kids. I mean really know them as people, not just superficially, the way most adults in our society, even parents and some teachers, interact with young people. If you did, you would understand how silly some of your comments sound to those of us who deal with many children of all ages at a much deeper level.

I really like kids. I understand them, and I feel for them. I am not advocating supressing their self-expression or their creativity--or their sexuality. Nevertheless, I do believe that many feel pressured to be more sexual than they are ready to be, because of the hypersexualized atmsophere in our society--including the frottage some kids engage in at school dances. Why do I beleive this--because they TELL me so! The tell me, and I listen to what they say. To me they are not counters in philosophical, social, or political arguments. They are dear people whom I know and care deeply for.

Many parents on this thread have called you out about your ignorance of real children. Maybe you know a few kids--perhaps even know them very well. But just as some young kids seem to suffer little or no effect from violence on TV or in video games, decades of research right here at my own university has proven that a significant number of kids are affected in pretty awful ways by it. Adults who are familiar with s few kids may only know ones who are not in any way harmed by the violence on TV--or by the overt sexual displays everywhere they look. But if you know enough kids well, you will get to know many who are harmed by it, and who desperately want adults to help them maintain their childhood a bit longer, until they are ready for all things adults are constantly exposed to.

Warren, may I ask you how old you are, and whether you have children of your own--and if you do, how old they are, and whether they are sons or daughters? I don't mean anything by this--I just want to get a sense of what your experience with children might be.

I said a couple of things in my previous replies to you that were perhaps a bit harsher than they should have been, but I honestly was getting the impression that you were just having fun, being deliberately contrarian. But I would really like to engage you at a different level here if that is possible. If you're just playin' with us, never mind. I don't have much free time to waste. But if you are really interested in this topoic at a deep level, let's really discuss it instead of fighting about it.


By the way, on another of my websites I have an article entitled "Don't get Emotionally Attached to Your Own Opinion." Perhaps you would like it:
http://www.teacherblue.homestead.com/opinion1.html

I'll ask again, if girls dry-humping each other is not a lesbian display, what exactly would qualify as a lesbian display?

If they are doing it because they are sexually responding to each other, then they are responding to lesbian sexual attraction. If they are doing it as a way of performing for boys to get their attention, because they are sexually attracted to the boys and responding to them, then it is only apparently lesbian display. Its purpose is heterosexual.

Someone is being staggeringly dishonest here, Warren, but it isn't me.

I give up. It is evident that you are not arguing in good faith at all.

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And we certainly didn't have that horrible rap music racket.

We would meet up at a school dance.

Smoke a fat one in my mom's buick

Hit the italian restaurant where we bought cases of beer out of the back from the dishwasher.

Head to someones house who's parents wern't home

Get high, do a little blow, get shitfaced drunk and go upstairs and screw in some poor parents bed while watching porn on the VCR.



But we never dirty danced or listened to rap music. Damn kids today are out of control.

The problem isn't sex. The problem is public sexual displays at a school function.

Some kids are sexually active at that age, some aren't. For many reasons, I think most--girls especially--would probably be better off not engaging in intercourse at that age. But most are sexually active. That's not the point. I have driven many young girls to the health clinic to get condoms because I knew they were sexually active and I wanted them to be protected, whether they were willing to go to their parents or not.

But many 14-year-olds are still shy and not sexually mature. They should also be able to enjoy school dances, but such behavior makes it very uncomfortable for them. For most of the chaperones, too, it is very unpleasant. It's not polite. Just because something isn't illegal, that doesn't mean it's okay to force everyone and his grandmother to watch you do it. And schools have a right to determine what is not suitable behavior at school functions.

Many kids that age drink, too, but it's still the school's right to refuse them admittance if they show up at the dance with alcohol on their breath.

Once again, I wonder why we think we have to cede all public places and public functions to the most obnoxious, aggressive, and exhibitionistic people.

and you were trying so hard to make a point.

By the time my son was 17 he'd lost 6 relatives and close friends to drunk driving accidents. And that's not counting several other acquaintances and casual friends who died the same way. He became incrediby cynical about going to wakes and funerals- his way of dealing.

He lost 2 first cousins and 1 2nd cousin in the same gruesome accident. The car flipped into a stream and the kids drowned. Only one of them was able to get out. And he was nearly as close to them as if they'd been siblings.

Post like that one with its lighthearted account of teen drinking and driving, really piss me off.

Keep in mind it was a more liberal time. Nancy Reagan had just appeared on Different Strokes and MADD had just begun hitting the national scene.

People smoked pot and did a little coke. Kids were just reflecting their parents. There was no crack, AIDs was a rumor and Michael Jackson was black.

Sorry your pissed off but I never had to go to funerals as a high schooler.

Maybe because drinking and drug use were more acceptable at an earlier age kids learn to handle it better. Who knows?


Did I drive around with a Fosters oil can between my legs on the ice covered roads of CT yes. Did I crash my car,

have unprotected sex and act like a sociopathic asshole? Sure I was a teenage boy.

My point isn't to excuse as much as it is to put things in perspective.

If I did the shit today I did 25 years ago I'd probably of fucking CNN/FOX as an example of youth gone wild.

Actually outside of one suicide that was hushed up I really don't remember anyone going all after school special in my High School.


I'm not suggesting that I would allow children to behave like they did in '83 but seriously am I the only person here that remembers being a teenager between say 14 and 17 years of age?

But you are in the minority with me.

I have no idea why people forget what it was like to be a teenager. I certainly haven't forgotten, and I'm in my mid 30's.

This was in the 70s, too.

The most extreme behavior is taken as "normal for teenagers."

I didn't get drunk until I was in college. I didn't go on a date until I was in college. And away from home, then. Guess my parents lucked out. Sometimes they express this feeling.

(15). I feel what you're saying. So much shit happens that most of the time, it's best just to make sure people are informed so that they can make decisions at least knowing something about them. As proven time and time again, if people want to do something, they will. Might as well try to make it so that they have an idea of how to be safe.

I'm pushing 40, and I have a vivid recollection of my teenage years. Not so much my 20's, though. :-)

Seriously, the main difference I see between my daughter and her peers and my groups of friends when I was her age is that the current generation is less secretive. Perhaps this is merely a personal observations since I have always subtly encouraged my daughter to be open with me, but she is what really concerns me, so I'm satisfied with that. Certainly a problem exists with the sexualized nature of youth interaction, but the cure to this is not simply banning this kind of dancing. I very much doubt that would have any effect at all since the such dancing is simply an expression of something instilled in youth by far more pervasive elements of popular culture.

Frankly, I see a lot less harm in a "Grind Train" at a *school dance*, which is the specific, implied incident referenced in this article by the student, than a lot of the shit I did when I was young out on rural roads in the middle of nowhere, hiding from all the adults. Someone up-thread suggested the problem here was the public display and that if kids want to do this, they should do it some place "safe" like, for instance, a club. That's safer than a school dance? Is the real problem here the public display, offending the sensibilities of adults? I think not.

Slight tangent. I participated in a seminar in college on the influence of Rock n' Roll in history. Reading through this thread reminds me ever so much of the wails and cries of adults when Elvis came on the scene. Yes, I know people will say, "but that's different. That was tame compared to today." Yes, it is, but not in the eyes of the people who tried to have all hip movement banned from any public display of dancing.

Feels like being at a Baptist convention.

Thought that might have been a vigin birth.

pregnant dry humping over her underwear. They were Christian fundamentalists, and they were totally freaked that this could happen. They got all the consequences and not much of the fun.

He had to drop out of college, get married, and get a fulltime job.

I think the 'dry humping in their underwear' part was simply a lie. Something around six inches long slipped out of one pair of underwear and slid into the other.

If the timing's right and sperm get near the vaginal opening, a woman can get pregnant. I've had doctors tell me that.

Damn him to hell.

but we didn't simulate sex in front of our teachers.

Once my girlfriends and I got caught with a bottle of schnapps outside the school dance - we told the teacher, "its only one bottle between 6 of us - we won't even get drunk!" He told us to be careful and walked away. Then we got high and went into the dance.

But we never freak danced. That's just wrong. What is this world coming to!

I remember that after our school fight song, all the students (and some of the parents) would add a little chant, "Jefferson High (or name your opponent) ain't shit". How do you remove 200 kids from the stands at once?

Nowadays, I think they would find a way to punish this. Maybe record the entire thing and bring us all in, one by one, to the office the next day to get our suspension, using freeze frames from the video.

by the band, was "Nuts and bolts! Nuts and bolts! We got SCREWED!!!"

I suggested that to my son one afternoon, and he recoiled in horror.

"We'd all get suspended!" he said.

Kids these days get into trouble for doing even the most innocent stuff we did as teenagers.

They get criminal records and prison time for some of the not so innocent stuff some of us did with impunity, and are put away for huge portions of their lives for the guilty stuff many of us did.

I do remember "The Bump" being banned at our high school dances.

Schools do NOT have to even HAVE dances, let alone allow no-holds-barred "dancing". Yeah, it's really trampling kids' civil rights and being all Cotton Mather by trying to have a PG-rated school activity.

What is difficult to understand about this? ALL institutions (schools, churches, hospitals, government, etc.) not only have rules; they have the RIGHT to have rules.

Think of the children. Everytime girls get freaky, a kitten dies. Think of the kittens.

Yeah, I thought not.

the school may not establish a religion, but students are free to pray as they see fit. You need a different argument. I suggest sticking with the dry-humping aspect. There is no actual sense to it, but enough people will have a negative emotional reaction that you can probably win that way. By the way, the homophobic aspect of this incident is simply being ignored by the puritans here.

issue, if one means, as I did, SCHOOL-SPONSORED prayer (like back in the day, when we daily had to read from the KJB).

(P.S. I know the hoary joke: As long as there are math tests,....)

And BTW---Since when is being not in favor of allowing male-on-female simulation of anal sex "homophobic"? I suggest YOU re-think THAT argument.

Is basically dry humping on a dance floor. I think it's fine if a school wants to ban that.

Really close. Cheek to cheek. Breasts pressed against breasts. Pelvis to pelvis. Arms reaching ever lower. We have to ban that too, don't we?

What about the zombie jamboree? This has got to be banned!

It was a Zombie Jamboree
Took place in a New York cemetery
It was a Zombie Jamboree
Took place in a New York cemetery

Zombies from all parts of the Island
Some of them was a great Calypsonians
Although the season was Carnival
We get together in bacchanal
And they singing

Back to back, belly to belly
I don’t give a damn, I done dead already
Oho back to back, belly to belly
At the Zombie Jamboree

One female Zombie wouldn’t behave
See how she jumping out of the grave
In one hand a quarter rum
In the other hand she knocking Congo drum
Believe singer start to make his rhyme
The Zombies are racking their bones in thyme
One bystander had this to say
‘T was a pleasure to see the Zombies break away

Back to back, belly to belly
I don’t give a damn, I done dead already
Oho back to back, belly to belly
At the Zombie Jamboree

I goin’ talk to Miss Brigit Bardot
And tell her miss Bardot take it slow
All the men think they're Casanova
When they see that she’s bare foot all over
Even old men out into beaker
Find their hearts getting weaker and weaker
So I goin’ to ask her for your sake and mine
At least to wear her ear rings part at the time

Back to back, belly to belly
I don’t give a damn, I done dead already
Oho back to back, belly to belly
At the Zombie Jamboree

A lot of World leaders talkin’ ‘bout war
And I’m afraid they're going too far
So it’s up to us you and me
To put an end to Catastrophe
We must appeal to their goodness of heart
And ask them to breech in and please do their part
Cause if this Atomic war begin
They won’t even have a part to breech in

Back to back, belly to belly
I don’t give a damn, I done dead already
Oho back to back, belly to belly
At the Zombie Jamboree

involve grinding of the pelvic area against their partner. Unless you know a different waltz than me. :)

And more than one fellow had to rush out of the gym due to a bit of a leakage issue.

How many times are you going to roll out that strawman in this thread? No one has suggested banning this sort of dancing. What they have suggested is that perhaps a school dance is an inappropriate place for it. As an adult, I have no problem with "dirty dancing," dry humping or whatever the hell else, but then I also know that there are appropriate places for this sort of thing (tha club) and inappropriate places (public elevator at my office).

WHy is it hard to understand that the school, which doesn't have to hold a dance in the first place, is allowed to hold a dance under a set of rules that they wish to impose. Don't like the rules, don't go to the dance. Easy, right?

Except prom. And "dirty" dancing wasn't allowed there either.

:D

They had to go -somewhere- from the miniskirt to draw your ire, guys!

At least as long as you are not a student, that is...

We've had discussions on here before about the fact that students are not allowed the same civil liberties as adults. The courts have upheld that, and thus it continues. I dunno--maybe I'm missing something here, but kids get tossed from dances all the time, and it has gone on FOREVER. I highly doubt is gonna change.

Kids push the envelope on taste, and adults push back. Dance is a generational thing, and I have no doubt that the parents of the Elvis Generation are any different than the Disco era (and later!) parents of today.

If Elvis was a bad influence in the 50's, and the Beatles were a bad influence in the 60's, and the Hustle was a bad thing for the late 70's, I guess this is the NEW bad influnce...

Rock on.


Laura


PS, you DO all realize that "rocking and rolling" was a very old slang term for having sex--right?

:shrug:

Because a young man could actually get his hands on a young woman as well as talk to her and kiss her.

So he wants to go back to that, huh?

And teenage girls have been willing to accommodate them for just as long.

We were banned from doing rock n' roll in my freshman year of high school. Then the following year there was Elvis and his pelvis. Oh, horrors! The words used to explain these bans were similar to 'explicit' and 'vulgar'. Good! Stop them from dancing and acting out. Let them go to Lovers Point and dance in the backseat of the car instead. Be sure to leave a box of condoms in the glove department. Hint. Hint.

Obviously a place where their innocence and purity is much more protected.

:sarcasm:

After all, they are just going to go do it somewhere else anyway.

create a suitable atmosphere for the rest of the people at the dance who might want to have to watch that. They can have sex in private. They can also jack off in private. No one cares. But keep it to yourself, please.

It permeates our society and when kids pick up the message they are told "not appropriate".


We are such a sick, f'd up and confused society.


DR

When I was a Catholic high school English teacher, I had to break up many groups and couples at dances. One group of boys got upset at a fellow teacher when she did that and then surrounded her. One boy started rubbing himself up against her, and she whipped around, grabbed his wrist, and put him on the floor, telling him never to touch her again or she'd call the cops. She told me and was scared that she'd get fired. Thankfully, nothing further happened.

If they want to do that at a club, that's fine. In a private house, that's fine, too. Not at a school. I know exactly the kind of dancing that is, and all you have to do is cut a couple of holes in their clothes and they'd be having sex in front of everyone. There are adults there--do you really want them watching that and condoning it? Is public sex okay with minors and adults watching those minors? I don't think so. Other kids shouldn't have to watch, either.

The kids will push the boundary, and it's the job of the adults in the room to enforce the boundaries. Simulating sex in public (which only the guys get anything out of, since they're rubbing their penises on the girls) so that others have to watch is not okay. I don't care if it's a group of girls doing it or a group of guys or whatever--it's not okay.

Hey i'm the first guy to say young folks could use a break, and we might should lighten up a bit. However i went to high school in a very lenient time (late 70's early 80's). We got high, drank, and screwed at dances, hell it was expected of us at that time. Despite what we might be doing in the shadows we were expected to maintain a certain level of decorum when in public at a school function.

I have no problem with this situation. The school sets policy, students know the rules. Besides it's not like they were arrested, or beaten.

in my Soph year (first dance i had the courage to go to)...this was back in 1992, folks.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?video_id=QfPKQW_pDxE&l=206&t=OEgsToPDskJjMCZtcRny7mGqWUDPjI8g&sk=vMs7_14ZGKk4leYMjP7MVAC&fs=1&title=Kaoma%20-%20Lambada,%20Peter's%20Pop%20Show%201989

:o }( :evilfrown:

Since I am responding to one of Warren's posts, deep into a subthread, you (and other readers of this thread) probably won't see it, but I think it is a post I would like others to be aware of it, so I am posting this to call attention to it.

Its a pretty well established defense technique for people with little reason to back up their arguments, and who enjoy the excitement of arguing. Unfortunately, it usually leads to nihilism.

there are rules of behavior. this is not like the movie footloose not allowing dancing thru religious org. it is having boundaries on youth at school events. the students went too far. they knew they were. they suffer the repercussions.

it's not dancing at all....

here in sacramento.

For those that think this is "dancing" or actually requires skill/talent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWd7r-6IKQc

"Talent" is another matter. If that's where the bar is set, I think most of the dance floors in the country are going to be cleared out pretty soon.

SCHOOLS don't have to allow it!

Schools don't have to "allow" dances at all.

In all seriousness, my school didn't sponsor dances and never had. The closest it actually came to allowing anything at all was to allow us to advertise the time and location of The Morp in April with small fliers. We had no problem with it because we got together off-campus for dances organized by students themselves without chaperons. The restrictions were only on the limits of our imagination and scrounging skills.

The guys would practically come they were rubbing themselves so much on the girls.

I remember once seeing a male and female lock pelvises and grind away.

My first response was :wtf:
My second response was "Get a room!"

Boy I'm glad my kids are grown and I have no grandkids.

It may come as a surprise to some that so is she.

A decent video showing a guy freaking to a slower song. It's only the male half of the dance, but it shows the moves very well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o96wHz_GXs&mode=related&search=

Note that you'll need a YouTube login to view it. Clear videos of freak dance moves always get flagged as Mature and need age verification.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=Ynp7snZGO4k

For those of you who still think this is tame, keep in mind that the dance is typically performed with the partners in physical contact, with the male genitals contacting the female butt. Dancing like this is almost always done with a partner physically touching the jiggling bits.

When I was a kid, we called that dry humping.

Back in my day, teenagers weren't horny. There was too much snow.

Or at least pressed them with rocks till they repented.

We had square dances, and the 50% teen pregnancy rate was due to immaculate conception, reform school recruitment, and rape.

But we didn't have dirty dancing at schools, dammit!

My daughters junior high doesn't ban freak dancing per se, but they do ban any dancing that involves any contact by one dance partner with the clothing covered genitals of another. This keeps the worst parts out, but still permits some dancing that a lot of people would find offensive.

Even given that, my daughter wont go on the dance floor once people start freaking. She came home crying after one dance when the whole thing ended with this giant 200 person freak. She said that guys were coming up to her and poking her in the butt with their hardons while they tried to freak her uninvited (a main component of freak dancing is guys rubbing their genitals against the womans rear while she "bounces" her butt), her breasts were grabbed a few times by guys she didn't know, and when she shoved the guys off they called her a tease and a bitch. When she tried to complain to the school, she just got "What do you expect when you're dancing like that?"

When I called to complain, I was told that the chaperones had banned that kind of dancing all night, but had permitted the kids to have a little fun and enjoy the last song of the night without rules. The principal told me that everyone knew the last dance of the night would be a freak, and repeated that she shouldn't have been on the floor if she didn't want to do that.

Did I mention that my daughter was only 12 at the time? Sexual assault is apparently OK if it happens at a school dance and it's "the last song of the night".

Kudos to this school for banning it outright.