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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:49 PM
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Senate approves $150B in war funding
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 07:00 PM by ProSense

Senate approves $150B in war funding

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Thwarted in efforts to bring troops home from Iraq, Senate Democrats on Monday helped pass a defense policy bill authorizing another $150 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 92-3 vote comes as the House planned to approve separate legislation Tuesday that requires President Bush to give Congress a plan for eventual troop withdrawals.

The developments underscored the difficulty facing Democrats in the Iraq debate: They lack the votes to pass legislation ordering troops home and are divided on whether to cut money for combat, despite a mandate by supporters to end the war.

Hoping the political landscape changes in coming months, Democratic leaders say they will renew their fight when Congress considers the money Bush wants in war funding.

While the Senate policy bill authorizes the money to be spent, it does not guarantee it; Bush will have to wait until Congress passes a separate appropriations bill before war funds are transferred to military coffers.

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Roll Call

NAYs ---3
Byrd (D-WV)
Coburn (R-OK)
Feingold (D-WI)

Not Voting - 5
Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:51 PM
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1. So much for those who promised not to vote for another bill without deadline...
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 06:52 PM by Mass
I am very disappointed by a lot of people I respect a lot. I know this is not the appropriation bill, so there is no real money attached, but still, once again, I am happy to see that Feingold voted the right way.
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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:54 PM
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2. surprise surprise
The Dems may change how the war is fought but this war is not going to end.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:55 PM
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3. Any ideas who the three were yet?
Curious.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:00 PM
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7. Updated OP. n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:56 PM
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4. o m g this war is never going to end.
:banghead:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:57 PM
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5. I'm totally confused
Is this part of the Defence Authorization Bill? In other words, is this 150 million on top of the 200 million that bush is is asking for that will be in the form of a Supplemental??

Ann Flahrerty is such a god awful writer, it's hard to tell what the hell she's talking about.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:01 PM
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8. It is the budget for 2008...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:58 PM
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6. OH SHIT! Wasn't this the one they were supposed to hold OFF ON?
Or, am I thinking of another one where Bush want's to have himself crowned on the White House Lawn as "KING" sort of like the Rev. Moon was crowned by his Poppy!

Don't tell me they passed this thing. :puke:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:01 PM
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9. This is not the appropriations bill
Did everybody just skip this:

"While the Senate policy bill authorizes the money to be spent, it does not guarantee it; Bush will have to wait until Congress passes a separate appropriations bill before war funds are transferred to military coffers."

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:02 PM
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12. True, but...the only good news is that Bush will veto it..
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 07:06 PM by Mass
He does not like the hate crime amendment that Kennedy put in it.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:05 PM
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15. Its nice that there is some good news in this.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:04 PM
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28. Make Bush veto a war funding bill
Good. Now Dems can say Bush could have had his funding if he'd wanted it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:03 PM
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13. Saw it, but
it authorizes the money to be spent. If it doesn't guarantee it, what happens if it's spent?

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:04 PM
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14. They cannot spend it without the appropriation bill.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:07 PM
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16. OK, this part:
"Bush will have to wait until Congress passes a separate appropriations bill before war funds are transferred to military coffers."

Got it, thanks!

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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:40 PM
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30. Seems to me that a budget bill is the place to vote on principle.
If you put it in the budget but then refuse to fund it, that makes it impossible for the Pentagon to plan accordingly and feeds accusations of denying necessary funds to the troops. If they voted yes on this bill, there is no chance that the appropriations bill will even be contested.

:banghead:

Another year of war, another few thousand casualties. Gotta love our "leadership". :sarcasm:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:02 PM
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10. how convenient, the ones not voting are now not on record.
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FyurFly Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:38 PM
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25. Cowards! all of them n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:02 PM
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11. Gosh, it's like the Presidential candidates don't want to take a stand. nt
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 07:02 PM by bemildred
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:08 PM
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17. Non-votes from candidates so it won't be on their records, and thank you Sen. Feingold, Sen. Byrd
and my goodness, never thought I would ever say, thank you Sen. Coburn for your Nays.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:08 PM
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18. Coburn 's nay is not about Iraq.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:14 PM
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19. Do you know what is was over? Was the hate crimes bill in this? eom
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:17 PM
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20. notice
hillary did not vote.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:19 PM
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21. Today we are all blue dog corporate war party loyalists.
I am done with this. Three Senators and only two "Democrats" could be bothered to not commit another war crime.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:23 PM
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22. He didn't get the money, he got a promise.
He has to come back to Congress to get the actual money.



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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:03 PM
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27. Oh only a promise to commit more war crimes. I'm so relieved.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:07 PM
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29. Have it your way!
Burger King logic!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:35 PM
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23. Amazing - isn't it - how none of the Dem candidates were there?
I am sure that Harry knew that....not that it would have mattered looking at the vote.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:37 PM
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24. What is this from Thursday?
Congress Quietly Approves Billions More for Iraq War
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=237751

The Senate agreed on Thursday to increase the federal debt limit by $850 billion -- from $8.965 trillion to $9.815 trillion -- and then proceeded to approve a stop-gap spending bill that gives the Bush White House at least $9 billion in new funding for its war in Iraq.

Additionally, the administration has been given emergency authority to tap further into a $70 billion "bridge fund" to provide new infusions of money for the occupation while the Congress works on appropriations bills for the Department of Defense and other agencies.

Translation: Under the guise of a stop-gap spending bill that is simply supposed to keep the government running until a long-delayed appropriations process is completed -- probably in November -- the Congress has just approved a massive increase in war funding.

The move was backed by every senator who cast a vote, save one.

Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, the maverick Democrat who has led the fight to end the war and bring U.S. troops home from Iraq, was on the losing end of the 94-1 vote. (The five senators who did not vote, all presidential candidates who are more involved in campaigning than governing, were Democrats Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Republicans John McCain and Sam Brownback.)

Said Feingold, "I am disappointed that we are about to begin the 2008 fiscal year without having enacted any of the appropriations bills for that year. I am even more disappointed that we voted on a continuing resolution that provides tens of billions of dollars to continue the misguided war in Iraq but does not include any language to bring that war to a close. We need to keep the federal government operating and make sure our brave troops get all the equipment and supplies they need, but we should not be giving the President a blank check to continue a war that is hurting our national security."


Sounds to me like the front runners of our party are skipping votes that seem to be important to what we want? How is that being a leader, when we want this war to end and they wont even make a vote on it?

Once again, Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate to be a LEADER for the people as he was elected to do. Why do so many people support these other candidates and keep ignoring the guy that said no in the beginning because the war was about oil? Are we really voting for who is best for US?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:46 PM
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26. That's
this (PDF)
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:57 AM
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31. keep in mind that this is money that DOES NOT EXIST! . . .
we either have to borrow it and add the $150 million to our already outrageous national debt, or print some more money . . . hell of a choice . . .
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:36 AM
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32. Why the hell was the vote even tabled??? nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:51 PM
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33. Kick! n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:03 PM
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34. War whore McCain didn't vote for this?
:eyes:
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