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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:41 AM
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Dragging death of black man
Sutter County pair held in dragging death of black man

Two men accused of fatally dragging a man behind a truck remained jailed Monday while authorities investigate whether race was a factor in the black man's death.

Aaron Richard Ouelette, 21, and Michael Angelo Sanudo, 20, both of Yuba City, are each being held on $1 million bond on suspicion of murder, robbery, gang affiliation and parole violation. They are accused of robbing, beating, and running over the victim, who was dragged face down under the truck.

Sutter County district attorney Carl Adams said Monday he was waiting for investigators' reports before deciding what charges to file.

Yuba City police described the victim as a black man in his 30s. They were still not identifying him Monday, until they could notify his family.

Investigators said Ouelette and Sanudo beat and kicked the man in an alley, stole some of his property, then ran over him at least twice in a pickup early Saturday. He became caught under the truck and was “dragged for a considerable distance” before the men stopped and abandoned the truck, according to police reports.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:44 AM
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1. Gotta love America.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:46 AM
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2. Awful
:(

There is some bad stuff going on lately. :(
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:48 AM
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3. So much more of this shit - since the rise of Bush
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:51 AM
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4. Don't blame this shit on Bush.
Racism in America is a vile beast that has existed long before the current President, and will continue to exist long after he steps down. To place even the tiniest fraction of blame on the President is, to some extent, letting the actual causes off the hook.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:53 AM
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5. No, I think I will.
He himself is a white supremacist and has given the ideology a platform from the white house.

http://racerelations.about.com/b/a/257450.htm
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:58 AM
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6. And none of those reasons stated are a result of Bush.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 10:59 AM by Kelly Rupert
* Greater exposure: Publicity stunts and belligerent tactics employed by these groups, such as marching through Black neighborhoods, provided them with national news coverage

Not Bush. This is just racists finding more-efficient ways to spread their message.

* A Uniting Issue: The controversy over illegal, particularly Latino, immigration

Not Bush. In fact, they hate Bush for "selling out" on "amnesty."
.
* The War in Iraq: Hate group members believe Jews forced America into the war

They hate the Iraq war, and think Bush sold America out to the Jews. So, Not Bush.

* Racist music labels, music, and concerts: Greater availability of hate music has drawn younger people into the movement

Not Bush. This is just racists finding more-efficient ways to spread their message.

* A Growing Internet Presence: The number of hate sites has increased from 468 in 2004 to 524 in 2005.

Not Bush. This is just racists finding more-efficient ways to spread their message.


Blaming Bush is letting racists off the hook.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:02 PM
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20. The Iraq War isn't a result of Bush?

"Blaming Bush is letting racists off the hook."

Not blaming Bush is letting the biggest racist in the country off the hook.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:04 PM
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21. I would hardly think that Bush can be blamed for
racists thinking Jews started the Iraq war. I mean, if racists disapprove of something the President does, and hate Jews for it, does that mean that you'd blame the President for the racism then? That doesn't make sense.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:14 PM
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27. Here's a Pic of one of the "White Supremacist"
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 02:25 PM by ben_meyers
An obvious skin headed nazi KKKer if ever there was one.





http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=33410
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:04 AM
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7. What I mean....
Bush has released a new wave of racism in this country.

Conservative/racists have been given the go-ahead, with nod-nod,
wink-wink codes.

Many journalists are openly writing that the race "experiments" of the sixties did not work and we should just stop trying to promote diversity.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:53 PM
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28. exactly. Bush promotes it instead of working to eradicate it. Especially with
his "christian" my religion is holier than thou stuff. New Orleans....consolidation of the media into the hands of the right...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:06 AM
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8. But white folks KNOW it isn't THEIR fault. So they proceed to make up reasons....
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 11:06 AM by BlooInBloo
... They're forced to do this, because their faux-shock is becoming harder and harder to maintain without laughing.

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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:07 AM
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9. Bush isn't to blame for Racism, but the acceptance of it now
Yes, racism has existed long before Bush, but what I think the other poster is trying to say is that since Bush has been in the WH, racism has become acceptable by those that support him and this would include some Republican members of Congress and members of the media!
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:12 AM
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10. Leaders SET the tone. n/t
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:43 AM
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14. I do believe that as well, bush has definately made racsim come out of hiding
obviously we cannot lay all the blame on his shoulders, all he basically did was give them a platform once again they had never left, how anyone can doubt that is beyond me.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:31 AM
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12. Definitely blame it on bush.
His racist administration has given permission to the racists in general to crawl out of their slimy holes. What was the message of Katrina? "We will allow thousands of black folk to die, and nobody will be held responsible." With civil rights languishing, its programs going unfunded, and critical cases being refused by the Supreme Court, there has not been a more hostile government since the 60s. That all adds up to permission for these yahoos whose IQs are barely larger than their shoe size.

A forceful civil rights agenda would greatly reduce these incidents. Bush's neglect encourages them.

In a large part it's the economic polarization created by Bush's policies - people have to have someone to hate and to blame, other than the government, so like always it's blacks and immigrants. You want to look at "actual causes" it is the class war being waged against ALL of America's non-priviledged - which is a cornerstone of Bush's policies.

So FUCK YES I blame Bush.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:54 PM
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29. And mother Barbara said: "those folks are better off now anyway."
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:39 AM
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13. I think that Bush
like Ray-Gun before him, gave racism respectability.
You're right it has always been here. But, there was a time when some were ashamed to show (and act upon) racist bigotry. It was there, but some left it in the old closet where they hid their sheets and pointed hats.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:51 AM
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16. And racism is everywhere in America, in every one of the 50 states. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:53 AM
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17. Not evenly distributed, of course. I suppose southerners are happier..
... than pigs in shit at this story - now then can point the finger with a *little* more plausibility.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:39 PM
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23. Read a little about the area you live in--the West--and how they treated
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 12:56 PM by raccoon
Asians over the years.

If you knew anything about history, you'd know they treated Asians like crap.

Guess you're back to my ignore list, again.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:03 PM
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25. rofl! See ya!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:21 AM
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11. robbery may have been the the primary motive...
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 11:22 AM by NorthernSpy
Given the psychopathic personalities of many violent criminals, and their often inebriated state when in commission of their crimes, robberies do sometimes escalate into vicious thrill killings. The fact that the victim is black and the apparent killers are not does not make a bias motive a foregone conclusion.


His name was Willie Roberts. He worked at a Target store and was engaged to be married.


:cry:


http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/truck_54754___article.html/drive_casita.html

http://www.my58.com/news/14246983/detail.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:45 AM
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15. As long as it's THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE it's not racism, it's not racism. ROFLMAO!!!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:52 PM
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24. I'm just relaying the info as it appears in the reports...
And yes, a thrill killing could involve such sick horrors as dragging a person to death.

In Colorado within the past few years, there was a domestic violence case that involved a murder by dragging. As a method of murder, dragging is not unique to ideology-driven crimes.


The political aspects of this case have yet to be determined. Let's not jump the gun on that particular point -- that's all.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:57 AM
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18. Yeah, most robberies end with dragging the victim behind a truck.
That's not indicative of a hate crime at all.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:14 PM
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22. "Behind" is probably the wrong word.
He was "dragged face down under the truck".

They 'ran over him at least twice in a pickup early Saturday. He became caught under the truck and was “dragged for a considerable distance' before the men stopped and abandoned the truck, according to police reports."

Sounds like he got stuck. Where the reference earlier in the article to "behind the truck" came from, dunno.

That said, this wasn't exactly a crime of love, but it's far from clear just given that the dragging was intended. Killing the guy probably had death, or at the very least some pretty severe maiming, in mind--few run people over, esp. twice, in order to adjust a suspected subluxation, so we can safely rule out a spontaneous act of chiropractic.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:57 AM
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19. copycat killing...Jasper, TX n/t
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:23 PM
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26. How sick
It's sounds almost like a 'copycat' crime--robbery and particular criminal histories aside of the accused, of the black man that was dragged behind a truck a year or so back in what was it? Texas?

I would strongly suspect racism based on that alone.
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