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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:47 PM
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(The Swims I Take For You , LOL !!!) - Survey: Conservatives Anger with GOP May Be Devastating
Survey: Conservatives Anger with GOP May Be Devastating

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WASHINGTON, DC -- A poll of 1,015 conservative activists and donors shows that 77 percent are either seriously disappointed with Republican Congressional leaders or want them replaced. The survey also found that 54 percent of conservatives feel so abandoned by current Congressional leaders and President Bush that they plan to reduce their contributions and/or grassroots work for GOP candidates in the next election. And 70 percent would support a principled conservative challenger running against an established incumbent Republican in a GOP primary.

"Conservatives feel betrayed by the Republican leaders, and they want them replaced," said Richard A. Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, which sponsored the survey. "Conservatives, which form the GOP's base, provided most of the volunteers and money to elect a Republican-controlled House and Senate -- and wound up with bigger government as a result. Now more than half of these committed activists say they'll reduce or end their involvement in the upcoming elections -- which could prove devastating for the GOP."

Asked how they feel about the Republican members of Congress, 48 percent of conservatives report being "disappointed" and an additional 32 percent think they
"should be replaced."

Asked to grade the GOP-controlled Congress, 73 percent gave it a D or F on "controlling government spending;" 73 percent gave it a D or F on "reducing illegal immigration;" and 54 percent gave it an "overall grade" of D or F.

Sixty-three percent gave Bush a D or F on controlling government spending.

Perhaps most troublesome for the GOP, Viguerie pointed out, is how that anger may affect the upcoming elections: 51 percent of donors said they plan to reduce or end their financial support. "This is a recipe for Republicans losing. Republican leaders need to comprehend that if they govern as liberals, they will lose the support of conservatives," Viguerie said.

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Link: http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/28387.html

And...

This Revolution Will Not Be Blogged

Watching the conservosphere debate the significance of social conservatives' threats to back a third-party candidate, should Rudy Giuliani win the nomination, we are struck by one thing: There is no voice in the blogosphere claiming to speak for the social conservative movement. Sure, The Brody File does a fine job delivering the opinions of established social conservative figures (like Richard Land and Tony Perkins), but there are very few bloggers who consider themselves part of the movement. Instead most conservatives bloggers speak of social conservatives in the third person.

Just look at the different terms used to describe the group. Today we quote conservatives using 'Christian Right', 'Evangelical groups', 'pro-lifers', 'pro-life grassroots', and 'Religous Right.' Whatever divide exists between social conservatives and the GOP in real life, it has definitely materialized online as well.

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GIULIANI: '08 To Be GOP's '68?

Townhall's Matt Lewis heard AL Chief Justice Roy Moore was the early first choice for a third-party candidate, but Richard Viguerie shot down that idea in a later interview. Lewis summarizes more from Viguerie: "Viguerie believes the conservative movement has been lied to by the establishment Republicans for 45 years, and that it may be time to launch a true conservative party. He tells me that the 3rd party rumor isn't an ad hoc one-time effort to stop Rudy Giuliani, as was reported. Instead, it is a long-term paradigm shift in which conservatives will forever leave the GOP, it's natural home since Ronald Reagan."

NRO's Jim Geraghty shares this nugget from Human Events contributor Nathaniel Blake: "Far better for the GOP to lose in 2008 than for pro-lifers to be marginalized from both parties. If Rudy gets the nomination, I will oppose him vociferously. I would want to see protesters with giant gruesome aborted baby photos crash the convention. I'd want the GOP version of Chicago in 1968."

...more from Geraghty's notes: "I took an informal poll of pro-life readers of National Review Online, and heard from about 150 grassroots who had past experience volunteering for GOP campaigns at the local, state, and presidential level. ... While the poll is unscientific, it seems reasonable to surmise that if Rudy wins the GOP nomination, anywhere from a quarter to a half of pro-life activists could be playing a different role than they did in 2000 and 2004.

Link: http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/10/102_this_revolu.html

Damn... at one point in my trip, I was at the John Birch Society's site!

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:49 PM
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1. Bless your heart!
:rofl:
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:50 PM
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2. I can't blame them. I wouldn't vote for any of their candidates either. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:52 PM
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3. Some of ours are
bad, too, imo..but those gopers are downright monsters.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:52 PM
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4. the big move
won't happen until Hillary is sown up as the candidate or some other Dem "benchmark" that must be met.

Guliani will be dumped. The new star will arise with full support of these agitated groups. There is no one running without permission and plan of the Bush dynasty. As long as that continues there is not much hope for restoration of American democracy next fall.

ALL the GOP is being whipped like restive dogs by their master. You can bet war is the plan to yank the chain. What you see now in the GOP is not the end result. If OURS is, worry.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:01 PM
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5. Can't say I feel too differently about some of our folks.
:evilfrown:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:01 PM
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6. if they govern as liberals, they will lose the support of conservatives,"
This guy must be Rush's drug using buddy..He think the Republicans are trying to act like Liberals..:crazy:
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:01 PM
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7. Man, they sound a lot like most of us.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:05 PM
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8. You're a brave man, WillyT.
---Damn... at one point in my trip, I was at the John Birch Society's site!---

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:09 PM
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9. They've been lied to by the GOP for 45 years -- their "natural home since Reagan"???
Lewis summarizes more from Viguerie: "Viguerie believes the conservative movement has been lied to by the establishment Republicans for 45 years, and that it may be time to launch a true conservative party. He tells me that the 3rd party rumor isn't an ad hoc one-time effort to stop Rudy Giuliani, as was reported. Instead, it is a long-term paradigm shift in which conservatives will forever leave the GOP, it's natural home since Ronald Reagan."


Forty-five years ago was the year 1952, when Eisenhower was elected; next GOP president was Nixon, then Ford, then Reagan. Are they admitting that they are aware that Reagan, their actor-trained hero (& a puppet for the corporations), lied to them?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:15 PM
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10. I can't think of a single group of human beings i'd rather see disappointed.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:42 PM
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11. It's long past time the "Christian" coalition saw the light and realized
how fully and cynically they have been played by the rethuglican party. All the talking points these last years: abortion, gay marriage, "immoral" liberalism, have all been nothing more than tools to fool them. For the hard core rethugs, all that matters is money and power by any means necessary.
Here's something I've been wondering. If this split does happen, will the democrats be far behind? Are our causes being represented satisfactorily? We're still at war, no movement on health care, no improvement on the environment. We democrats have never lock stepped the way rethugs do, but are our loyalties being repaid? Ralph Nader's green's have split us in individual elections. Just wonderin what may be the long term fallout if the rethugs do split. Short term, the dems should come away with the presidency, and the largest single party majority in congressional history. I suspect that will be the test. We will have to see monumental changes in the corporate corruption which currently leads the government by the nose. What if things don't change enough?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 10:26 PM
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12. "If they govern as liberals"....???!!
Um, no, they aren't "governing" at all, and they are behaving as UNLIKE liberals as they can. They're acting like fascist corporate whores, which is what they are.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 09:21 PM
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13. Last Kick From Me...
:kick:
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