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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:46 AM
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Al Gore Won Florida in 2000 by 77,000 Votes - By Greg Palast
Florida By The Numbers
Al Gore Won Florida in 2000 by 77,000 Votes

Published by Greg Palast February 12th, 2007 in Articles
by Greg Palast

You like numbers?

Here’s how to estimate the effect of spoilage on the election outcome. For fun, let’s take Florida 2000. We know from comparison of census tracts to precincts that 54% of the 179,855 ballots “spoiled” were cast by African-American voters, that is, 97,000 of the total.

Every poll put the Black vote in Florida for Al Gore at over 90%. Reasonably assuming “spoiled” ballots matched the typical racial preferences, Gore lost more than 87,000 votes in the spoilage pile. Less than 10% of the African-American population voted for Mr. Bush, i.e. Bush lost no more than 10,000 votes to spoilage. The net effect: Gore had a plurality of at least 77,000 within the uncounted ballots cast by Black citizens.

OK, then, what about “Non-Black” voters, whose votes made up the remaining 46% of the spoilage pile? Well, frankly, you can ignore these, as these voters split their vote somewhat evenly between Gore and Bush. Sticklers wanting a closer exam would note that Gore probably won a majority of these votes as well. Moreover, the only large group of spoiled votes in a wealthy white county occurred in Palm Beach (due to “butterfly” ballots), a rare, rich white group of strongly Democratic voters.


Now you can dazzle your Republican friends with the real vote count — Gore won Florida by 77,000 in 2000. But they figure you already spend too much time concerned about issues like democracy and too little time concerned about guns and tax cuts.

http://www.gregpalast.com/florida-by-the-numbersal-gore-won-florida-in-2000-by-77000-votes/#more-1574
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:51 AM
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1. For further outrage on the subject, see Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential Election
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:52 AM
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2. I swear I am reading that chapter in his latest book right now...
I just took a quick break to check my email and chill out for a few minutes. Been up all night reading this stuff. I guess this must be an omen that I should get right back to reading. :)
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:55 AM
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3. Indeed he did...
and if he runs again he'll win by a million.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:53 AM
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6. ..
:thumbsup:
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:03 AM
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11. Second that!
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:05 AM
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4. Thanks for reminding us.
I think that should be brought up every once in a while, just so we don't forget. Beyond the fact that Bush's Presidency is illigitimate, we should all realize the fact that in the 2000 election (and 2004,) black people's votes were intentionally thrown out simply because they were black. God Bless America.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:05 AM
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8. We're supposed to believe that Bush, who lost in 2000 by 500,000 votes
Got more popular votes than Kerry in 2004? After letting 9/11 happen, starting an illegal war based on lies, and hammering taxcuts for the rich that busted the US budget? Right. Remember those tiny crowds showing up for Kerry, while Bush was speaking to 40-50,000 people during the campaign? Oh wait, it was exactly the opposite.

Lets investigate what really happened to the $8.8BB that went unaccounted for in Iraq in 2004. I have no doubts that this money found its way back into the election of 2004 and bought that election for Bush and the Republican Syndicate.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:43 PM
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30. Pretty farfetched.
Considering that Bush's approval rating was under 50% on Nov. 2, I don't think it's very likely that he got more votes in 2004 than in 2000. Hell, three days before the election it was revealed that Bush let 280 tons of powerful explosives into the hands of terrorists. That should have killed him among undecideds, and according to the exit polls it did. Considering that exit polls are the most accurate type of poll and the 2004 exit poll was supposed to be the most accurate exit poll yet devised, that would make that poll *the most accurate poll ever taken.* How is it that this poll was off by 8%? The exit poll was consistent with every electoral indicator available, and the election was in contradiction of these predictors. There's no way Bush actually won that election.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:50 AM
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5. The day will come when the 2004 theft will also be acknowledged
No thanks to the two on the ticket who thought more of themselves than the voting rights issue. But Gore did fight - and all the rewards he gets now are karmic payback for that.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:55 AM
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7. Someone needs to send this article FRAMED to the USSC nt
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:35 PM
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22. Impeach Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas. nt
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:34 AM
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9. Didn't the newspapers who sponsored a recount
say that Gore won the vote in Florida? This was a straight up recount, no accounting for spoilage. They looked at the count a number of ways and with a total recount, Gore won, with a partial recount (only the county Gore wanted recounted) Gore would have lost. I thought the results were published on 9/12/01, but it sort of got lost in the 9/11 news.

zalinda
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:01 AM
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10. The results were announced after that
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:01 AM by Marnieworld
I think it was in Nov 2001.

http://consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

By all counts of all legal votes Gore won. The headlines of the results were deliberately misleading and were released coincedentally (we hope) the same day of yet another airline accident in NYC and was conveniently overshadowed.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/12/newyork.crash/

Both incidents were completely forgotten quickly from the MSM.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:44 PM
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15. Thank you for posting these important links
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 03:49 PM
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17. You're very welcome
I think it's a sign of the times that despite a Consortium of newspapers proving that Al Gore won was published, this fact is just ignored by the MSM and the establishment Democrats.
Like it's tacky to mention or they fear being branded a "Conspiracy Nut". WHen this is common knowledge then we will know we have our country back.

ANd that crash always seemed suspicious to me. I think it was a shoe bomber but because it was so close to 9/11 they covered that up. This accident, which normally would be considered very dramatic and memorable, is mostly forgotten even that week it faded. The NTSC declared the cause of the crash without any investigation that day- when does that happen? This and the anthrax just went down the memory hole in that very scary fall of 2001.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:42 PM
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24. The best writeup I've seen was in WaPo 11/12/01
and says in the second paragraph that a statewide recount would have given Gore
more votes.



Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush
But Study Finds Gore Might Have Won Statewide Tally of All Uncounted Ballots

By Dan Keating and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, November 12, 2001; Page A01

In all likelihood, George W. Bush still would have won Florida and the presidency last year if either of two limited recounts -- one requested by Al Gore, the other ordered by the Florida Supreme Court -- had been completed, according to a study commissioned by The Washington Post and other news organizations.

But if Gore had found a way to trigger a statewide recount of all disputed ballots, or if the courts had required it, the result likely would have been different. An examination of uncounted ballots throughout Florida found enough where voter intent was clear to give Gore the narrowest of margins.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html

The other papers' stories buried the fact that Gore got more votes at the bottom
of the article, and made it seem irrelevant when you got to it.

Originally the ballot study was supposed to be released in September. The NLG was
preparing a campaign to impeach the felonious five justices who made the Bush v. Gore
decision. But Osama saved Bush's bacon. And by November there was anthrax in the mail
and the nation was at war and nobody cared about hanging chads any more and none of the
media were willing to cast any doubt on the legimacy of the War President.





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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:28 AM
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12. May Katherine Harris rot in Hell.











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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:07 PM
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13. Just goes to show: Crime DOES pay in the USA
Why not steal the election? What's the repercussion?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:53 AM
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42. Yea, just ask United States Senator Katherine Harris
:rofl:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:39 AM
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44. They sure tossed her away didn't they.
She fixed the damn 2000 election (and Palast is right, it's an outrage), she was a flunkey in
Congress, she provided all sorts of goodies and they can't even let her win...but their
"chargter" was pulled. Think no, read this for some roflmao Too late Katherine.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:37 AM
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45. Harris ended up on the rethug trash heap with Blackwell.
The top rethugs seem to view those two as some sort of embarrassment.
... Must be those high standards and all.

;)
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:03 PM
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46. It always puzzled me why she got such a cold shoulder...
Think one day she'll seek revenge?
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 09:30 PM
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48. Well, maybe it's because she is such an utter embarrassment -- even to rethugs.
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 09:31 PM by nicknameless
Check out this video, if you haven't already:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/25/katherine-harris-shakes-her-booty

I'm not sure she has dirt on them that doesn't also implicate her. And if she did have it, their revenge against her would be a lot more scary. It would be like ratting out the mob. They think nothing of killing their enemies.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:15 PM
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14. And what was done about it by the people?
Bush is still there trashing our Constitution.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:22 PM
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16. Thanks for the thread kpete
Kicked and recommended
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 03:53 PM
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18. I saw Palast speak on this issue in SF in 2002.
His presentation of the facts is chilling.

K&R
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:00 PM
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19. kpete got 26 hearts?
I only got too.;(
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:23 PM
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20. And by over 600,00 votes nationwide...
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 04:23 PM by LaPera
probably more like over 700,000 votes if Florida had been counted correctly and the obvious voter manipulations, uncounted votes, fraud and the purging of the polls of black voters by Kathrine Harris.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:36 PM
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21. Glad Palast did this. Of course Gore won. No hanging chads or butterfly ballots mattered.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 04:36 PM by autorank
It was the "felon purge" by DBT which was acquired by ChoicePoint.

It was a fraud from the start and it cost Gore, plus the uncounted "spoiled" ballots, 100K or more.
Spoiled in the sense that they occurred in predominantly black precincts. That was devastating also.

So what did Congress do to solve the Florida problem - get new voting machines that were easier to
cheat with.

Congress did not deal with the anti miniority felon purge scandal in Florida, nope, not once. They
just punted on that and bought the lousy machines for all counties and crammed it down our throat.

Thanks for nothing and they're piling bigger nothings on top, our guys in the House. It's a real
shame.

HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS NOW HR 6200 = THE KUCNINCH BILL FOR HCPB IN 2008.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:37 PM
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23. Gore won? Amazing. The President bears a strong resemblance to George Bush.
Palast needs to move on.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:44 PM
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25. You don't "move on" from stolen elections. That would be treason. nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:59 PM
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33. There's nothing left to do with the 2000 election.
Dwelling on that will simply open the door to the thing happening in 2008.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:38 PM
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36. There certainly is something to do with the 2000 election.
Have the media cover the crimes--

1)the defiance by Jeb Bush's office of a federal court order that he
quit illegally denying the vote to ex-felons whose right to vote had
been restored outside of the state of Florida

2) Katherine Harris's phony felons list with deliberately loosey-goosey
name-matching designed to weed out the maximum number of names, which
cost the Gore campaign 50,000 votes

3) Another ballot-design scandal besides the Palm Beach butterfly ballot,
the Gadsden County caterpillar ballot, caused 21,000 ballots to be
rejected as overvotes.


Have the media cover the fact that 9/11 could not have happened under Gore.
Richard Clarke's plan to go on the offensive against al Qaeda would have been
enacted, the nation would have been on alert for reprisals, warnings from
13 foreign countries, 3 FBI offices, the CIA, and the FAA would have been
heeded, and we would not have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan.

Impeach Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy. It is not the business of the Supreme
Court to stop the counting of votes and overturn, with their five votes, the
will of 50 million Americans' votes.



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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:05 PM
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37. Cool! It's been six full years. Six years! How's all that going?
Pardon me while I focus on 2008.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:34 PM
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27. Move on?
Ignore a stolen election? What would you have us pay attention too?

:crazy:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:01 PM
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34. How about 2008.
After six years of whizzing our britches about "the stolen election", Bush has done his best to ruin the country. And what have we to show for all the wailing about 2000? Another f*cking article. Whooppee.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:10 PM
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38. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Notable Quotations from George Santayana
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:25 PM
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39. "Blessed are the spewers of cliches, for they shall comfort themselves."
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:27 PM by Buzz Clik
I'm sure there's a quote out there about people driving themselves insane by living in the past, but it isn't worth the effort to find it.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:46 PM
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32. I do hope you're kidding.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:02 PM
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35. I'm not. If Gore is the President, he hasn't been doing his job.
Move on.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:52 PM
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26. I really wish gore would run in '08
nt
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:39 PM
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28. He had better run.
Or I'm never speaking to him again! I mean it this time!! :-)

I love me my Greg Palast.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:40 PM
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29. I always knew
but at least I have a number now.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:42 PM
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31. i got this today from the fla state dems...AN EXPLANATION FOR THE MISSING VOTES?
i got this today from the fla state dems...fly

Tuesday E-News Brief From the Florida Democratic Party, 2/13/07


AN EXPLANATION FOR THE MISSING VOTES?

We found a major problem with the Secretary of State's (SOS) election results file, which was delivered to the state legislature as the SOS is statutorily obligated to do within 75 days of the general election. This file, obtained from the SOS's office, indicated that a total of 4,389,616 of Florida's registered voters cast a ballot in the 2006 election. Unfortunately, this number is 494,928 fewer than the Official Results posted on the SOS website. Disturbingly, the 494,928 missing voters represent more than 10% of the voters that, according to the SOS website, cast ballots - a significant error. While this error may not be indicated on the local Supervisor of Election (SOE) file, it is in the official SOS file released to the state legislative leaders. In essence, the SOS office corrupted the data of the local SOEs - and this happened statewide, with every county's data. You helped apply pressure to the SOS, forcing them to respond - committing to fixing the file and delivering it to us this week. We'll keep you posted on this important issue.
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necklace Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:40 PM
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40. If this isn't a reason for impeaching the current administration, I don't know what is!!! nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 12:45 AM
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41. kicked & recommended. nt
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:10 AM
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43. Greg speaks in San Diego Feb 20th;
at East County United (a progressive PAC)'s Mardi Gras party at Sycuan Resort in El Cajon, 6-10 p.m.

Email info@eastcountyunited.org for details!
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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:09 PM
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47. Bush and the RNC had to steal the election in order to destroy the country
Criminals can't win fairly.
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