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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:13 AM
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Is Something "Big" About To Happen In The Republican Party??
Dobson and other RW Fundamentalists Leaders are encouraging their faithful to contact Republican Party Leaders and tell them that they will not vote for a pro-abortion rights Republican Nominee(read that Giuliani), and that they will back a third party candidate.

There has been a steady stream of Republican Party Members of the House and the Senate who have announced they will not run for reelection.

President Bush is absolute poison to any Republican campaigning to be reelected.

Democrats are outraising Republicans almost 2:1.

Republican scandals are everywhere with lots of big name Republicans subpoenoed to testify under oath.

It just feels like the earth has shifted for Republicans.

Will a late entry candidate emerge from left field for Republicans?

IF not, will it be the biggest landslide in Democratic history in Nov 2008?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:16 AM
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1. Don't count the chicks before they hatch
that is the first lesson

Secondly... yes they are undergoing great pain...

Third, best case scenario they will go the way of the whigs, only to be replaced by something that will either be much worst, or much better,

But don't count them chicks before they hatch
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:22 AM
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3. I second that emotion. The past seven years--starting with
the coronation of the shrub have been a roller coaster of repeated dashed hopes. I keep wondering WHY the repukes are not distancing themselves from the party discipline that makes them act in lock-step. My suspicion is that they have some expectation that there will be some intervening "event" that prevents regime change.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:22 AM
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25. Third that. The leadership is losing by assuming they can win by doing nothing.
Impeachment's still off the table.
Bush has been given a blank check to continue expanding his Fiasco in Iraq.
No Telco or Bush official is being held accountable for warrantless wiretapping.
Aside from Scooter Libby, nobody was indicted for outing Plame.
Congress refuses to seriously investigate the White House deceptions that justified the Iraq invasion.
Congress refuses to seriously investigate defense contracting frauds.
Congress refuses to seriously investigate CIA renditions and torture.
Congress refuses to restore Habeas Corpus.

And, they wonder why we, the Democratic base, are discouraged and divided?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:57 AM
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32. Yes, I'm not letting Lucy hold that ball until the game's over
Let's get the election done (let's get it done fairly this go-round, too) and THEN we can speculate about the end of the GOP.

Any sooner just makes me nervous.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:20 AM
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2. Sooner or later they were bound to implode
But I agree with nadinbrzezinski. Don't count those chickens just yet.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:24 AM
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4. The numbers are there, but the Democrats have been too cautious.
I know the earth moved, but I worry about an attack on Iran. That is the last hope of the neocons. They won't win popular votes by doing this, but they can really screw the world up to the point of 'point of no return.' I think they prefer this rather than losing.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:27 AM
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5. Ohio, Virginia, Florida, are all hardly a lock for the Democratic pres. candidate...
...whoever that is.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:27 AM
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6. Don't think so.....unless it's ANOTHER honosexual/closeted/'pedophile
scandal.

Now that would be *big*......:eyes:.....actually it would be 'ordinary' for these blackmailed REPUBLICAN Perverts !




























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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:29 AM
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7. You posted a Repukes wet dream.
WHY?


Whatever.... their 'dark horse' will either not exist or be a hideous monstrosity (Fred Thompson type).


They have NOTHING - and YOU know it.



No more of these 'it's gonna happen' threads that are rooted in fantasy.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:34 AM
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8. It's just a party sinking into minority status
Their time is over, their policies have proven failures, the corrupt are getting rounded up, and the smart ones are getting out, having seen the writing on the wall. That's all. It's a good time to be a Democrat. And it's about time.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:38 AM
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9. The Republican Party will implode, to be replaced...
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 01:49 AM by Kutjara
...by the PLP, the Pentecostalist Liberation Party, ultimately triggering a civil war that will rip the country into three parts. After the loss of millions of lives, (the result of a nuclear and biochemical attack launched by PLP End-Times sympathizers in the military), the remaining habitable zones will reorganize into independent nations:

- The Western Federation, comprising California north of the radioactive LA Basin, Northern Mexico and Baja, Oregon and the parts of Washington not depopulated by biological warfare.
- The Yankee Alliance, comprising roughly the same territory as the original thirteen colonies, but with a greatly reduced population.
- The Republic of God, comprising much of the old Southern and Midwestern states.

The WF and Yankee Alliance will ultimately become modern nations, with an outward looking world view, eager to be a part of the wider world, and to work collaboratively for the betterment of the planet.

Nobody will know anything about the Republic of God for years, since it will be a closed society with an impenetrable defensive perimeter. The few refugees who do manage to escape will tell of atrocities, repression, religious police, death camps, and the persecution of minority groups. After a time, however, even these thin trickles of information will cease. It will be centuries before the Planetary Government dispatches a recon team into the Republic, to find a land of stone-age people, illiterate and ignorant, whose only mode of communication involves the endless utterance of quotations from the Book of Revelations.


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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:48 AM
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11. Yow
Are you serious? From what sources (physical or psychic) do you get this info?
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:52 AM
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I got a Temporal Wormhole Generator from Wal-Mart for my birthday.
Tuning in the future is a fascinating hobby.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:53 AM
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13. Be careful
Odds are 90% that sucker was made in China. It might be giving you the Chinese view of what they want to happen. :)
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:01 AM
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14. Good point.
I just checked the manufacturer's label on the thing and it says "Product of The Sacred Lotus Prefecture of South Carolina, Dominion of Amerikan Vassal States" so I suspect it may have come from the future itself.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:57 AM
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31. That's cool
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:58 AM
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33. Do you write science fiction? nt
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:43 AM
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38. A revision based more in fact....
If the South and Midwest are the loci of the ROG then The Republic of God should also include much of the Rocky Mountain states -- the capital city could well be in Idaho. So that would make the Republic of God comprise most of the country with California and the Yankee Alliance as vestiges of a bygone era.

The all-powerful Republic of God would soon clean up these remaining pockets of intellectuals, comedy newscasters, and other effete elites and make them get a real job that doesn't involve thinking.

And all will be well across the land.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:45 AM
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10. I think they just bought their competitor.
But it's still a secret.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 01:52 AM
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12. ANYONE BUT HILLERY....
SHE IS THE GOP SHILL --- A PRO-WAR.... TIED TO BLACKWATER AND CORPORATE AMERICA.... THE MAN-CHEWINGON CANDIDATE....

GET EDWARDS INTO OFFICE AND YOU WILL SEE THE BIGGEST DEMOCRATIC VICTORY IN HISTORY...

VERY ELECTABLE.... VERY BRIGHT.... AND WITH OBAMA AS HIS VEEP...... 16 YEARS OF DEMOCRAT RULE
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:06 AM
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15. ooh! All caps!
That DOES make your point more salient. And her name is "Hillary".
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:29 AM
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20. One thing that scares me about Hillary
...is how, in the West, she's considered "poison" to our candidates, as much as Bush is to the Repuke candidates. Even if she wins in a landslide, can we afford to lose valuable Democratic seats in the West?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:49 AM
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22. What "west" are you talking about?
:shrug:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, dude.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:46 AM
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27. I'm in the west. She's campaigned successfully for Senate candidates here.
Which of "our" candidates have said that she'll hurt them?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:13 AM
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17. Who is "HILLERY"?
:shrug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:50 AM
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29. You know, the candidate who goes around chewing on men.
:sarcasm:

:shrug:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 04:52 PM
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41. Of all the objections to her, I agree- that's by far the lamest.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 04:53 PM by impeachdubya
Although I must admit I had to laugh when I saw an ad for the "Hillary Clinton Nutcracker":

http://hillarynutcracker.com/completelynuts.html

It's like Rush O'Hannity's deepest Freudian fears, realized! :o When she wins, someone should send them all one.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:49 AM
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28. Misogyny alert.
"the man-chewingon candidate."

As far as I'm concerned, she can chew up any Rethug that gets in her way. More power to her.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:09 AM
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16. think JEB........eom
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 02:21 AM
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18. I've been saying for years that the GOP would implode if Rudy got close to the nomination.
People who think it's all about war or "terra" or money or the neo-cons don't understand the vice-like grip the Theocratic whackjob right has on the Republican Party. Look at the facts- most Americans are pro-choice.. but the GOP not only wants to outlaw abortion, they'd like to outlaw contraception- certainly the birth control pill- as well. Americans are moving towards support for marriage rights for gays, but the Texas GOP still wants to throw gay and lesbian Americans in jail.

The Bush Administration puts people like W. David Hager and Eric Keroack and other anti-contraception waterheads in positions of power at HHS & the FDA. They put 6,000 year old Earth Crazies in charge of "Science" and order the Parks Department not to discuss the actual age of the Grand Canyon lest they offend the people who think it was carved out during the "flood".

They are WAY out of whack with the mainstream, but they control the party's primary process. And at the same time, they've swallowed the bullshit the media has been feeding them (and us) about the power of the so-called "values voter". This is why Terri Schiavo took them by surprise- they think telling people what to do with their lives and bodies is a winner issue for them. It isn't.

So, if someone insufficiently enthusiastic about putting women in jail for having abortions- like Rudy- gets close to the nomination, all bets are off. The fundy kooks are going to lose it, and the party will come apart at the seams.

Goddess willing.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:07 AM
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19. "from left field for Republicans?"
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 03:12 AM by Disturbed
No. One may descend from the extreme right quadrant of the sky, though.

Huckabee fits all that the Fundies want, so why is he so far in the back of the pack?

This one?

FAMILY VALUES PARTY - This ultra-conservative, theocratic party seems to exist mainly to promote the frequent federal candidacies of party founder Tom Wells of Florida. Wells explained that God spoke directly to him on December 25, 1994 at 2:00 a.m. and "commanded him to start" the FVP. To be exact, Wells said God specifically told him to encourage people to stop paying taxes until the public funding of abortion ends. The FVP political platform is largely derived from religious fundamentalism, including many specific citations to Bible passages. This "party" remains largely an alter-ego of Wells -- who seems to run every election as a write-in candidate for President or Congress (or both).
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 03:48 AM
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21. Huckabee isn't pissed off enough.
They need someone who effectively communicates their loathing for all the unauthorized fornication that is going on. Someone who carries with him the implied promise of dropping a big granite 10 commandments monument on those god-damn ACLU eggheads.

Huckabee's aw-shucks manner doesn't speak effectively to their seething hate and anger.

Huckabee did come out against thongs, though, and that was a start.


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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 04:11 AM
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23. Unfortunately, I think their strategy is to leave shrub's mess to the Democrats, knowing
even an FDR or Churchill would be incapable of cleaning it up. Then, when we're plunged into another Great Depression they'll waltz back in to "rescue" us yet again with the same policies that caused the problem.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 04:50 AM
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24. I hope Dobson and that bunch abandon the GOP in a huffy little temper tantum
and run a third-party extremist in the 08 race.

At its best and run well, I doubt that ticket would crack 10%, and it would at once show the fundies they are a distinct and untenable minority of nutbags, and are regarded as such by 90% of the rest of the country, AND cripple any advantage the GOP ticket would have in close swing states, with more moderate independents veering toward the blue ticket.

I believe it would result in a handsome electoral college victory for the Democratic ticket.

Do it, Jim. Trot out the most slobbering tongue-talker you can drag out of the Dark Age caves and run 'im for president.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 05:38 AM
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26. "the most slobbering tongue-talker you can drag out of the Dark Age"
That's what they did with Fred. :D



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:37 PM
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47. Hey ya there, Swampt Rat. Yep. Ol' Fred's done been drug out from the
caves. Somebody hosed off the spiderwebs and most of the lichen and shoved his sorry butt in front of a microphone.

May he never again be ANYWHERE near real power.

Great image, as per your usual.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 06:52 AM
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30. I think God is torturing the Republicans.
Edited on Sat Oct-06-07 06:55 AM by Perry Logan
God is sure as hell mad at the Republicans for something. I don't know if it's the incompetence, the lying, the treason, the pedophilia, or the creepiness.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:08 AM
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34. LOL....All of the above......
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 07:21 AM
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35. They won't back a third-party candidate.
They would risk making themselves irrelevant after a Giuliani nomination, and Dobson is too lin love with the trappings of power to write himself out of the GOP's future.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:28 AM
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36. It all depends on who counts the votes
Remember the Electronic Voting exec who guaranteed a win for * in Ohio.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:31 AM
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37. No, despite it all most of the GOP candidates run competitively with the Dems in most polls
The best way to lose an election is to be over confident. I think this will be a very close election.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:46 AM
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39. Unless the truth about the last 6 years becomes household,
the election will be closer than necessary. Blame it on House democrats and an absent media.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:54 AM
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40. The phony Christians will fall in line with whomever the party of evil nominates.
They are flexing their muscles but will always back the party of greed and war.

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StudentLoanSlave Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 12:38 AM
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42. I remember '04
When all of us were just positive that Kerry would win. Turns out we were just talking to ourselves and not the majority of America.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:52 AM
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43. Republicans waiting for a miracle.....
The GOP has painted itself into a pretty disastrous corner, as this article articulates well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=312435&mesg_id=312435

Fred Thompson was supposed to be their miracle candidate, but so far his campaign is a joke. I saw him on TV a little while ago, and not only did he make an ass of himself, he looked shockingly bad. Scary bad.

Huckabee is probably the best Republican hope, but he doesn't seem to be well known enough, or perhaps the GOP just hasn't supported him. Romney certainly wasn't well known before he started running for President.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 01:58 AM
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44. I honestly believe the religious right
as seen the light....No not that light! But as I have written many times how the right will be perceived as hypocrites if they support the candidacy of Rudy G. A person cannot go on and on and say how they could never support a democrat that is pro choice and from time to time even spew out "baby killer". Now with rudy leading the field of Repubs and being pro choice those on the religious right have to make a decision, in fact it would not be a hard decision if they believed in what they have been trying to sell all these years and that would not support Rudy G. if he is the nominee.....It really is as simple as that.....

Ben David
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 02:26 AM
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45. Ane he would be seen as a hypocrite
if he accepts their support. There are really three or four kinds of conservatives and he doesn't seem to be a traditionalist or a white nationalist or much of anything else. Maybe a neocon.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 02:28 AM
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46. they "all fall down" (hopefully) n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:50 PM
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48. I'm more focused on the "big thing" that is happening in the Democratic Party
--and not a freaking peep from the corporate media.

Am I the only one who feels that if the coup of the Democratic Party stands, the nation will fail?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:00 PM
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50. What do you mean by the coup of the Democratic Party?
?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:12 PM
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52. The dlc replacing Democratic values & principles
...with something that leaves many of us feeling as though we are living under a one party system.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 10:36 PM
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53. No, you aren't the only one
by a long shot
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 08:57 PM
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49. .
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-07-07 09:11 PM
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51. We have to do something about the rigged voting machines and
the corporate-owned media. Until those two major issues are addressed and corrected, we don't have anything close to representative democracy in the United States. It doesn't matter what party is supposedly in charge.
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