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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:56 AM
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Halliburton Employees Sue-"A Scandal Of EPIC PROPORTIONS" (Vanity Fair)
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 07:06 AM by kpete
The People vs. the Profiteers
Americans working in Iraq for Halliburton spin-off KBR have been outraged by the massive fraud they saw there. Dozens are suing the giant military contractor, on the taxpayers' behalf. Whose side is the Justice Department on?

Over the past 16 years, Grayson has litigated dozens of cases of contractor fraud. In many of these, he has found the Justice Department to be an ally in exposing wrongdoing. But in cases that involve the Iraq war, the D.O.J. has taken extraordinary steps to stand in his way. Behind its machinations, he believes, is a scandal of epic proportions—one that may come to haunt the legacy of the Bush administration long after it is gone.


Former KBR driver Bud Conyers's photo of a truck carrying beverage ice less than a month after it hauled rotting corpses.

..............

In the midday heat of June 16, 2003, Conyers was summoned to fix a broken refrigerated truck—a "reefer," in contractor parlance—at Log Base Seitz, on the edge of Baghdad's airport. He and his colleagues had barely begun to inspect the sealed trailer when they found themselves reeling from a nauseating stench. The freezer was powered by the engine, and only after they got it running again, several hours later, did they dare open the doors.

The trailer, unit number R-89, had been lying idle for two weeks, Conyers says, in temperatures that daily reached 120 degrees. "Inside, there were 15 human bodies," he recalls. "A lot of liquid stuff had just seeped out. There were body parts on the floor: eyes, fingers. The goo started seeping toward us. Boom! We shut the doors again." The corpses were Iraqis, who had been placed in the truck by a U.S. Army mortuary unit that was operating in the area. That evening, Conyers's colleague Wallace R. Wynia filed an official report: "On account of the heat the bodies were decomposing rapidly.… The inside of the trailer was awful."

It is not unheard of for trucks in a war zone to perform hearse duty. But both civilian and U.S.-military regulations state that once a trailer has been used to store corpses it can never again be loaded with food or drink intended for human consumption. According to the U.S. Army's Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine, "Contact with whole or part human remains carries potential risks associated with pathogenic microbiological organisms that may be present in human blood and tissue." The diseases that may be communicated include aids,hepatitis, tuberculosis, septicemia, meningitis, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human variant of mad cow.

But when Bud Conyers next caught sight of trailer R-89, about a month later, it was packed not with human casualties but with bags of ice—ice that was going into drinks served to American troops. He took photographs, showing the ice bags, the trailer number, and the wooden decking, which appeared to be stained red. Another former KBR employee, James Logsdon, who now works as a police officer near Enid, says he first saw R-89 about a week after Conyers's grisly discovery. "You could still see a little bit of matter from the bodies, stuff that looked kind of pearly, and blood from the stomachs. It hadn't even been hosed down. Afterwards, I saw that truck in the P.W.C.—the public warehouse center—several times. There's nothing there except food and ice. It was backed up to a dock, being loaded."

8 pages of this horrifying stuff at:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:58 AM
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1. K&R
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:18 AM
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36. is this related to the two executions of military finance officers?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:24 AM
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37. Well, SOMETHING is sure as hell related to those two deaths! nm
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:55 PM
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82. believe it ...
Check out the Sibel Edmonds case. The amount of money being made from the heroin trade out of Afghanistan is staggering. She has direct proof of suitcases of money being dropped-off to Dennis Hastert, not to mention the evidence she has about 9/11 and war profiteering. The only reason she hasn't been eliminated is she's got proof stashed and her story is known publicly. The gag order on her is so severe that if she got stopped for a traffic violation she's not allowed to show her drivers licence.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:31 PM
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108. Welcome to DU! And as I've said many times, when it comes to the BFEE, bush*co, cheney*/bush*...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:31 PM by Raster
set the bar low and expect lower. Yes, they really are as evil AND incompetent as they appear. You cannot make this shit up. And there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with this gang, it is real, it is horrid and it probably is worse than we know.
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:25 AM
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125. Yoo-Hoo!
Hey, Dick! I'm back! Me! Danielle! WhassssssssOPPPPPP???

:toast:

As I was tellin' Swampy downstream, I survived and am actually
alive and like that; for further info, see my post far downstream,
like number kajillion (Wait a second! How many is a brazillion again?)

:rofl:
(three brazilian soldiers... I love that!)

BTW, THIS STORY IS A FAIR AND ACCURATE MEASURE OF THE
UNSPEAKABLE EVIL OF THE ABOMINATIONS CURRENTLY SQUATTING
APE-LIKE IN THE WHITE HOUSE! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY
CAN WALK IN THE SUNLIGHT, WHY THEY SHOW UP IN PHOTOS!

FUCK! AMERICA IS BEING "LED" BY
EVIL ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE!



THE MONSTERS ARE LOOSE ON PENNSYLVANIA AVE!


I MEAN IT. THESE GUYS ARE FREAKING MONSTERS.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:17 AM
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143. Hey, stranger! How ya been?
Nice DU handle ya got there! :toast:
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simmonsj811 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:01 PM
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84. Pardon me
but should it not have been the U.S. goverments that should be sueing these @#$$%$^*(*(& bastards IMO
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:24 PM
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96. Yes. In a SANE & LAW-ABIDING society, that's what SHOULD have happened. nm
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:30 PM
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99. This not just any Justice Department, this is the Criminal Bush's Justice Department...
As long as the traitor, war criminal Bush is not hung or
behind bars, you can expect this perversion of government. The
Criminal Bush must be punished or others will practice his
criminal form of government. America will not be restored
until the Criminal Bush is impeached, convicted, and executed.
Anyone standing in the way, is complicit and should be treated
accordingly.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:00 AM
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2. The most used and overheard and read quote of this beginning
of this here 21st century...

<snip>

"...a scandal of epic proportions—one that may come to haunt the legacy of the Bush administration long after it is gone."

<snip>

The surprise would be if there WASN'T a scandal buried somewhere in every single thing this administration has pulled so far.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:24 AM
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9. And what shall this be called? a mistake? a policy failure?
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 07:25 AM by Solly Mack
accident? oversight?

It'll be called anything but what it really is...



I love what you said and agree.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:49 AM
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44. "Robust mistakes were made..." n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:05 PM
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46. OK. I laughed. It's not funny but....damn
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:01 AM
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3. This is the story that Time mentioned last week, isn't it?
Gotta get to the bookstore and buy me a VF. :)
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
76. Buy two
And send the other one to Madame Speaker.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:38 PM
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100. Madame Speaker is a stooge...
The question is: Is Madame Speaker obstructing justice? Is
Madame Speaker complicit with the crimes of George Bush?
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #100
130. The answer is
YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Methinks Madame Speaker is about to find her panties all in a twist.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:03 AM
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4. I haven't even read the rest and I'm horrified. Rec'd for outrage. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:55 AM
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32. I thought I was jaded. We heard the story about KBR serving rotten food to troops.
Really, I figured nothing would flip me out.

Occassionally, I'm proven wrong.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:12 AM
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5. We will not know for many years to come the depth of the corruption
going on with Halliburton. It started out a shady deal to begin with when Halliburton was awarded everything via a no bid contract, forced through by Cheney. Halliburton was given completely free access to the treasury to loot it for however much money Halliburton wanted.

Why? I think much of this has to do with the completely stupid deal Cheney did while CEO of buying asbestos companies with millions and millions in contingent liabilities from lawsuits that were subsequently lost. IIRC, Halliburton was damn near bankrupt in 2001.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:35 AM
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26. It started long before that
If I'm not mistaken, the whole privatization of the military was started by Cheney while he was SecDef under Bush I, a policy that he pushed through, and then was rewarded handsomely when he joined the primary beneficiary of that policy, Halliburton, as CEO. 8 years later, now as VP, with like-minded Rummy as SecDef, Dick can now repay Halliburton for repaying him. Sort of a you * mine and I'll * yours. And we'll both * the country and the world.

:puke:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:12 AM
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35. yes, that's when Cheney first starting awarding $$ to Halliburton
decades ago.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:43 PM
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116. I've been saying that for years - the cushy contracts were to bail out Halliburton
but then their greed was boundless and unchecked.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:49 AM
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131. Bunny tried
to blow the whistle on this right when it happened. They shut her up quick. Whatever happened to Bunny? Anyone know? I wrote her a letter of support and got no response...
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:13 AM
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6. Why didn't they dump this trailer in one of the pits?
You know, the ones where they dumped vehicles with flat tires and other stuff for burning?
This is just flat out sick shit.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:31 AM
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39. Because they didn't consider these trailers to be in need of repair
They waisted so much money burning the trucks that needed repairing while keeping the trailers that should have been burned. I can't wrap my head around this much incompetence and/or evil. They can't really make a convincing argument for using these trailers for food and beverage in order to save money when they threw good trucks into the pit because it needed a part. Did they really think they would get away with this? That the story would never come out?

Insane.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:17 AM
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7. Vanity Fair should be required reading
as should much of Rolling Stone.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:23 AM
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8. Kick, Rec and Marking to read the rest tonight
Thanks for this. You have made my week. :D
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:29 AM
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10. Good fugging grief
Is it time to impeach yet?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
87. Yeah, let's ask Nancy.
:sarcasm:
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:29 AM
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11. Ghoulish n/t
:kick:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:42 AM
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12. Talk about not "supporting the troops"
It's horrid to think that this company is feeding our troops ice tainted with rotting corpses.

Ugh. I think I'm going to be sick.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:47 AM
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13. one that may come to haunt the legacy of the Bush administration long after it is gone. bwahahahahah
what fucking legacy?????
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:57 AM
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14. This is just sick sick sick, as is our do as you will Congress
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:30 AM
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15. K&R
There are no words.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:54 AM
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16. Me too, gonna be sick
and a big-ass kick
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:36 AM
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17. Well, now that they're a Dubai company rather than an American one
I'm sure some vague letters of complaint will be sent to them.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:55 AM
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18. omfg.
no words.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:02 AM
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19. The whole article is a scathing indictment
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 10:03 AM by BelgianMadCow
of KBR, of the people who awarded the no-bid cost-plus contracts, and of those who set up the framework enabling the amoral pilfering of the US treasury.

Halliburton got the logistical contract for Iraqi operations in DECEMBER 2001?? WTF?
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:07 AM
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20. From the photo it looks as if they didn't even use pallets to raise the
ice off the floor of the truck. Truly sick shit.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:23 AM
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21. I thought nothing could shock me at this point but DAMN
:wtf:

There is no way to accurately voice my rage right now. I want those responsible in prison NOW.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:25 AM
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22. e-mailed this to my Veteran buddies.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:27 AM
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23. This IS huge
Look at this

So far, Alan Grayson estimates, his efforts to pursue qui tam cases against contractors in Iraq have cost him about $10 million. The severe terms of the False Claims Act mean that he cannot even reveal how many fraud whistle-blowers he represents, but there are dozens. Stuart Bowen is the special inspector general for Iraqi reconstruction (sigir), a unique watchdog whose office reports to both the Pentagon and State Department. He reported last year that his office knew of 79 suppressed qui tam cases, some of which have multiple plaintiffs. As of August, 66 are still under seal. There may be many more. (KBR refuses to say how many qui tam cases have been filed against it.)


Halliburton will be a long, long lasting scandal, perhaps well into the next administration.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:46 AM
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30. I know we are talking about Halliburton, but I was thinking that
it has all the same lasting scandal marks that Enron keeps giving the people who were destroyed from that company. This idea of having a business that is run without ethics will be the componet for business schools in the future.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:32 AM
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24. the truth always comes out in the end- glad to
recommend this terrible story revealing ugly truths.

Thanks Kpete!

:hi:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:33 AM
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25. I really hope Grayson has bodyguards
He's a brave man.

(And possibly, to be realistic, also a man with his eye on the bottom line... although it really doesn't sound like he needs the money. He's got a good life and I hope that he's not risking it needlessly.)
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:35 AM
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27. Another huge scandal that will flare and then disappear forever into Bush's ass.
No scandals can withstand being sucked in never to be seen again with his ass standing guard.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a scandal of epic proportions anymore.
It just means more sickness and death for our troops because of Cheney crony greed.
Nothing to be concerned about, move along.


(Not that I don't think it SHOULD be a major scandal. I just don't think it can be in today's climate.)
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:58 PM
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73. Bush's ass is a black hole.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:53 AM
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132. BUSH
is a black hole!!!! His brains got sucked down that corridor a LONG time ago.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #27
139. If Reagan was the teflon President.,what is Bush? I say, a huge
big, evil oil slick. Everything just keeps sliding by.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:37 AM
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28. Send this to Keith & the other networks! Another Katrina-type botch
for the bush administration. This is so horrific.

:kick::kick::kick: & Rec.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:56 AM
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45. Second!!!
:puke: :wow:
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:40 AM
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29. About the corpses in the truck
Could this be the way the body count is staying artificially low? Rather than take them to a morgue the bodies are being hauled off and "disposed" of another way.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:15 PM
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48. It's Hurricane Katrina all over again, indeed
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:06 PM
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93. If, conservatively, 655,000 Iraqis died in the first 3 years - that is 600 per day...
Putting them in a U.S. truck is a horrifying as many other ways the bodies could have been disposed of -- it can't be the only way or the most common way, I would think.

:(
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:49 AM
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31. AND this is why our Pres Nominee MUST PROMISE to fully investigate the Bush Admin Corruption...
We absolutely cannot afford to elect another president who is focused only on the future, and is unwilling to delve into the names, dates, details and conspiratorial corruption of the outgoing Administration.

Otherwise we will only delay a replay of the same or worse conduct in the future.

There must consequences --people engaging in this kind of conduct must be exposed AND go to jail --corporations needed to divested entirely of their profits and dissolved as needed -- in order to assure that this does not ever happen again.

And if a Presidential Candidate cannot promise a full publicly disclosed investigation of this wrongdoing, they do not deserve to be our next President.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:45 AM
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43. A promise is worthless
The investigations need to be NOW, not in 2009. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are both Senators. They need to do everything in their power to get these things investigated, not offer vague promises that we know will never be followed through.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:54 PM
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61. Obama has said he would not investigate
but said congress should if they wanted to. He said it would take too much time and interfer with his plans.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:05 PM
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121. bill the fuckhead clinton let poppy off the hook in 1993, so the country could 'move forward'
and look where it's gotten us.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:05 AM
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33. its all inhumane and They don't give a hoot about our
children over there
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:17 PM
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122. But we're in Iraq to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people.
It's okay that these American companies are using foreign laborers to do most of the actual labor. These indentured servants are often lured to Iraq under false pretenses and, once in Iraq, are unable to leave. It amounts to human trafficking.

But hey, Bush only promised freedom and democracy for Iraq. So what if one person is enslaved to give the illusion that another is free?
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:10 AM
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34. Rec # 50
Horrifying.
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newburgh Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:29 AM
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38. Everything seems to point to the fact that *&co are agents of Saudi Arabia/Dubai...
and are therefore significant traitors to this country. Why would they care about how our military is treated? They always pose the question about "supporting the troops", yet never answer to it themselves as if everyone believes that they are by posing it. It's time to stop letting them frame the dialogue!
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:36 AM
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40. Let's hope there are more employees of profiteers
who step up to the plate. As if it isn't bad enough that Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater and others are being paid BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars on no bid contracts, they are doing the work they are being paid exorbanant amounts to do!!!!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:43 AM
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41. Don't let the grossness distract you.
For years now, I've been ranting here that while we see a "fifty dead bodies found in Baghdad" story every week, we never see a "truckload of fifty dead bodies pulled over in Baghdad" story.

That's because I'm pretty certain that at this point the United States is conducting an program of systematic murder in Iraq which at this point must dwarf the Phoenix Program in Vietnam.

Well, here it is: the bodies are being transported by refrigerated trucks owned by American (or at this point Dubai-based) contractors.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:54 PM
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60. Atrocities of "epic proportion". What's the definition of 'genocide', again?
Supposedly, it's not unusual for foreign military (that would be ours) or contractor (that would be ours, as well) vehicles serve as mortuaries.

Strange, however, when former mortuary vehicles are thereafter utilized in other ways seemingly ignoring the former use.

Not that anyone is actually counting BUT there seems to be over ONE MILLION Iraqis dead or missing; over TWO MILLION refugees; and only gawd knows how many displaced and suffering.

What is the definition of 'genocide'?

When one of the Sudan government 'officials' began distinguishing between the civil strife/war and genocide, I started wondering what would happen if a comparison test was conducted between Sudan and Iraq, without minimizing the losses in EITHER country.

Somehow, the U.S. conservative 'think tanks' weasel around the "INTENT TO TARGET" requirement, as if the U.S. government NEVER INTENDED TO TARGET MUSLIMS in Iraq. Were there Christians and Jews and caucasians, among others, in Iraq, BEFORE THE WAR? Uh,...yes,...there were. "WERE".

Let us put aside the possibility of actual intent to target. It is clear a substantial Muslim population remains. Wouldn't a reasonable person acknowledge that the KILLING of over ONE MILLION PEOPLE in that population would be Muslim? Isn't that as good as "intent" since a reasonable would certainly KNOW that a particular population will suffer?

I will say this: the supposed "black/white" conservative perspective is sure full of gray and red when the rules are equally and consistently applied to everyone.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:43 AM
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42. From the same company that brought you
fresh drinking sewage for the troops...
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:11 PM
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47. Knowing this
how is it that war funding just continues to sail through Congress?

:shrug:
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simmonsj811 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:43 PM
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58. Smack down time
this is unreal how can we read this kind of $hit day after day after day and only to be told that inpeachment is off the table???those elected need to get off there ass and do the people's work,
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:13 PM
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88. Its not on Hoyer's agenda
He wants the Iraq War funding to move through Congress so he can collect $$ from the profiteers and use it to consolidate his power over Dems in the House.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:20 PM
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49. Oh My God.
As someone who washes her hands constantly when handling & cooking food, I'm horrified that the troops' well-being is held in such low regard as this!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:20 PM
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50. I'm speechless. nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:23 PM
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51. And here's the worst of it ...
We have all been truly horrified by all of the BushCo-related scandals we've heard about.

But being as this is the most secretive administration ever, run by people who are exceptionally good at covering their tracks, what don't we know that is even WORSE than the stories that have trickled out through whistle-blowers, investigative reporters (the few we have left), etc.?

What is the WORST crime BushCo has perpetrated? It's probably something we haven't even imagined yet ...

BTW, thanks for posting this, kpete - K & R!!!

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:28 PM
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52. remember the tales of freezer trucks
after Katrina and some of the Florida storms. Wonder if those trucks were destroyed or reused?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:34 PM
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54. That was very silenced. There is nothing about it at all.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:42 PM
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57. I know
people saw the refrigerator trucks, people drove them or helped load and unload them, but the MSM didn't seem to care. Folks that talked about it were ridiculed as conspiracy nuts.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:55 PM
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62. Who was the reporter, a woman, an anchor...who talked of them.
There was a video of it I saw online, of a local news anchor.

But she looked upset, and then no more.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:13 PM
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75. I don't know who the news person was.
Reading this article gives one an idea as to how the fema contracts are handled regarding the Katrina cleanup, trailers, maintenance, etc.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:32 PM
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53. k&r
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:40 PM
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55. Burn it, burn it, burn the trailer. Ick, ick, ick.
Totally icking out over here. Burn that damn thing. *shudder*

This is foul beyond words. Foul, foul, foul. KBR's leadership needs to pay for all of this!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:41 PM
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56. K&R - gut retching
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:41 PM by AntiFascist
if you look through the Lockerbie thread you may come to the conclusion that al Qaida has long ago infiltrated certain government agencies, not to mention privatized entities.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:45 PM
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59. I wonder if Katie Couric considers this "egregious" enough.
n/t
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:59 PM
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120. And I wonder why Rush doesn't rail against these profiteers on his show
the way he rails against the "welfare queens" and poor people who receive govt. assistance.
Oh yeah, now I remember. He's one of the war profiteers himself! Someone should look into how much money these Repubs have "earned" since the war on terror started. I bet they all have large chunks of KBR and other shady corp stock.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:59 PM
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63. mind-shattering. jaw-droppingly horrific. there are no adequate words...
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:04 PM
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64. Disgusting!



:puke:
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:08 PM
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65. I heard about this on the limbaugh show...
just kidding. The 11th Commandment: Thou shall not speak ill of anyone or anything in this glorious Christian War. Please extend statutes of limitations for all those who started, profited from, and refused to end this clusterfuck. Like bill orally said, "we know where you live and we're coming t get you". Sleep tight GOP war machine cocksuckers, judgement day (aka Jan. '09) is coming!!:toast:
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simmonsj811 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:14 PM
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66. 1 2 3
:kick:
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:34 AM
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127. I like your spirit, WP!
:toast:



Elegant Pig-Mittens For Fashionable Fascists!

T-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards with this at
http://cafepress.com/laughcity

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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:18 PM
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67. that s nasty!!!!!
yet bush is laughing and smirking about it all!! those weapons of mass destruction have to be somewhere!!!
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:29 PM
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68. I spent years....
....working for the military-industrial machine. Twice I acted as "whistle-blower" during my tenures. Both times, my very valid points of contention were neatly swept under the rug to keep the contractors from suffering financial losses.
Something like this - with Halliburton - doesn't surprize me at all. It's despicable and disgusting, but not, sadly, surprizing.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:37 PM
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69. I'm a war president.
Stop this now. We don't want to repeat this again.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:40 PM
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70. k&r
Bastards.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:41 PM
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71. I -- this is just beyond all comprehension. I'm gobsmacked
I have no words.

K&R
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:46 PM
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72. Woohoo! 101!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:04 PM
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74. i'm not even sure it was about oil anymore-just massive massive fraud
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:01 AM
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142. Yeah, the oil is just a convenience.
I would like to see a chart of all the war profiteering private corporations, showing how much their profits increased in the past 5 years. And how much money has just been *lost* in Iraq. Sick, sick, sick war criminals.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:28 PM
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77. EVERYTHING IN THE NAME OF PROFIT & LAZINESS! DAMN BASTARDS! n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:30 PM
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78. KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK KICK
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: ad infinitum!!!!!!!!!!!
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:11 AM
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124. Hey Swampy!
It's yer favorite girl Danielle! Hey pal! Long time no see!

:toast:

I FUCKING SURVIVED!!! I'm back in a new form; see my other response further downstream!

:loveya:


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:33 AM
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126. HEY YOU!!!
:hug: I missed you! :hug:

"Planet Motherfucker!" :rofl:

BartCop published one of my latest:
http://www.bartcop.com/2050.htm

I just finished this one: :D

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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:54 AM
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129. OHHHMIGODDD!!!
:rofl: :puke: :rofl: :puke: :rofl: :puke:

You've not lost your edge, m'friend! Hilarious!

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

I'm glad we can keep laughing as this ship of fools goes down
to the briny deep, I really am. God, it's so DEPRESSING coming
back to DU and all this terrible news... but laughter is good medicine
in even the darkest of times...

BTW, followed the link for bartcop, but I didn't see anything I
could id as your work...?

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:55 AM
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133. Thanks!
The link works for me, but just in case here's the pic: :D



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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:41 PM
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79. One more time
For all you that still believe that governments mean anything more than a cover for the super-rich 1% elite I have some sad news for you.

As long as vast amounts of money can be made from wars and we have psychopaths who have been breed into the wealthiest of families, as we have now, this is what will occur. The War on Terror, the War on Drugs or any war made-up by these sick bastards are all phony. Governments don't represent "the people". That's an illusion. Our elections are a farce to make us think we have some say in what goes down. Because if that were not true we'd have no wars, especially ones built on total lies. Our schools would actually educate. Our bridges wouldn't be falling down. Our streets would be safe to walk. Cities wouldn't drown.

Of course there's massive amounts of corruption in wars. That's why they're fought. And it is those that will never have to fight in them that start them and until we destroy the 1% that control most everything on this planet it won't change.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:50 PM
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80. I wonder what happened to the bodies
and who was it they got to clean it out.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:50 PM
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81. Hitler - ovens. America - refrigerated trucks.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 03:52 PM by higher class
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:57 PM
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83. K&R. Horrific beyond words.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:04 PM
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85. Is this in the MSM at all? And do you suppose our Sens and Congresspeople
know all this info? They may be aware of a "general" problem (problem!) but do you think they're aware of these details?

I'm going to forward this article to my reps, ALL the presidential candidates, and the media. This is horrific. As if this country hasn't suffered enough.

Recommend.
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:14 PM
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89. Get a grip ...
You actually think so-called representatives of the people care about this? Oh, it might bother some that still have a twinkling of a conscience, but that won't stop them from taking the money they get from KB&R, nor will anyone be held accountable. As long as wars make money for the very wealthy that will never have to fight in them things like this are common.

I know this is hard to acknowledge, but we don't have a government that represents "the people". It's hard to believe from the evidence that we ever have.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:13 PM
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95. I do think that there are some who have a conscience left. Not that I feel
they would be successful in going up against the Big Business folks, but something like this needs to be aired and the public AT LARGE needs to be made aware. If we (we!) do that bit by bit, maybe a slow metamorphose will occur with the end result of those in power having to listen to us or we pull them out of office. (Of course by that time they'd be so wealthy...)

I always hope for the best but unfortunately believe the worst. It's a tough position to be in! :7
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:09 PM
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86. Aren't some of these companies moving to Dubai?
I know that Halliburton moved their headquarters to Dubai, and KBR does have an office there. Wouldn't Halliburton still bear a good portion of KBR's legal responsibility since it wasn't that long ago that they broke away?

Maybe the Department of Justice for Bush Cronies are deeming these suits without merit, ignoring and/or stalling them until the war criminals are out of office and moved to Dubai and Paraguay. I have no doubt that the profiteering money is not in any U.S. bank. Not only do they avoid paying taxes, they have our money hidden away. When all this is over, they'll have our treasury and we'll be so far in debt that we'll be primed for the worse of the worse.

I wonder when Blackwater will move out of the country. They can be the strong arm military of the corporate swindlers.

I have nothing but contempt for those who for whatever reason (tricked or bought) to allow the coup and destruction of my country - all the while screaming at me that I'm unpatriotic.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:14 PM
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90. Just another scandal of EPIC PROPORTIONS...nothing to see here, move along...
:puke:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:18 PM
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91. Bookmarking ..
to show my favorite Rethuglican friends later.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 04:33 PM
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92. Qui Tam!!!!!!!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:08 PM
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94. although not this bad
chicagoans remember lagrou and the 1993 heat wave...the company stored bodies in their refrigerated trucks for the city morgue. they assured the public they scrapped the trailers...several years ago the company was busted for having basically a rat city in one of their huge warehouses...makes one think about those 93 claims...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:47 PM
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97. epic+scandal = bushco.
but THIS scandal has blood and guts -- and some truly horrifying imagery.

americans like this.

this will get some ''juices'' flowing -- and should blow up some nice outrage on capital hill.

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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:06 PM
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98. Mother of God......
I just have no more words for what has been done in Iraq...and to us here in the US.

Damn all of them!!!!





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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:49 PM
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101. AMEN.n/t
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:51 PM
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102. JESUS, JOSEPH, AND MARY !!!
Tell me this can't be true!

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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:32 PM
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103. K&R awful. nt
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:40 PM
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104. I'm speechless.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:43 PM
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105. Can't kick this enough
My Iraq War Veteran husband just looked at me and said, "Yeah" when I read the excerpt in the post. He didn't even bat an eye. I do not know what to say or think.


Oh yeah, there's this: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:52 PM
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106. My G-d. This is beyond horrific. Please send a message to the Oversight Committee.
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
U.S. House of Representatives
2157 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-5051

http://oversight.house.gov/contact.asp

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:11 PM
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107. Kick! n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:57 PM
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109. kick
I feel so powerless tonight.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:04 PM
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110. Can we finally send these bastids to the Hague?
"Crimes against Humanity" seems an appropriate charge.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:07 PM
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111. Jesus wept!
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:11 PM
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112. The word ethics comes to mind
which I find absent. OMG.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:17 PM
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113. The Amazing V&E Connection
Interesting that the FBI has to ask permission of a law firm before investigating a criminal matter. Of course the law firm is connected to Halliburton and to Al Gonzales. The law firm that the examiner in the Enron bankruptcy investigation stated had committed legal malpractice under the laws of the state of Texas. And the law firm that Kay Bailey Hutchison's husband is "of counsel" to after he "disassociated" himself as a result of the Enron investigation if you can call changing your association from partner to "of counsel" disassociating yourself.

I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone that the most corrupt law firm in the country is representing the most corrupt corporation in the country.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:25 PM
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114. Oh for Christ's sake.
I don't know what else to say.

It never ends, I guess.

K&R.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:35 PM
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115. KICK ASS
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:59 PM
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117. F'ing appalling.
I thought my capacity to be horrified had been cauterized, overwhelmed or otherwise numbed. Sadly, it seems I was wrong.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:00 PM
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118. Oh I'm so sad for Halliburton!
Barf!:puke:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:30 PM
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119. kick
so when will this make the tee-vee?

Ever?
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:37 PM
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123. The horror... the horror...


They're ALL evil inhuman alien insectopods from Planet Motherfucker!

BTW, ifanyone cares, President Evil Online has risen from the grave and is back at
http://steponnopets.com/peo

Or, you can get t-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards with this
and other horrifically lovely images suchlike at
http://cafepress.com/laughcity

But act soon--the End is right around the corner!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:57 AM
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134. Thank goddess!
that President Evil Online is back online! :bounce:

Here's my new website:
www.swamp-rat.com

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:58 AM
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135. AWESOME GRAPHIC!!! n/t
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:47 AM
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128. vigorous k{b}r n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:09 AM
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136. ugh. thanks for posting this. a little late night reading, for some nightmares. n/t
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 03:10 AM by orleans
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:33 AM
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137. I hope to god almighty that all of the Army's support functions return to the Army...
...where there is accountability.

Every single function that should be (and used to be) in the hands of the civil service or the military needs to be returned to them the day after the new Democratic president is sworn into office.

When these duties go out into the private sector, all oversight ceases.

The corruption that the Bush/Cheney Neocons have brought to our government at every level is a cesspool that stinks worse than the rotten corpses that were in trailer R-89.

Hekate
:argh:

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:56 AM
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138. I read the first few lines...can't bring myself to read the rest yet.
I'm going to have to work up to this one slowly, I can see that. K&R anyway...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 04:23 AM
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140. Those rotten motherfuckers
This was all done with the permission of Bush.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 05:47 AM
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141. What is being done about this?
Can we bombard network TV with questions about this? How can we get this to the public. How can we make the American citizen aware of this extreme corruption? I sent the article on to several (idiots) Republicans I know. I want to see someone behind bars.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:23 AM
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144. Do not read this while eating.
It's horribly disgusting and gross. If nothing happens to these war profiteers, we might as well pack it in and form the United States of Halliburton.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:49 PM
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145. That was my mistake.
I had a mouthful of food when I started reading, and I literally had to stop reading and turn away until I finished my bite.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:36 PM
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146. Kick. (nt)
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