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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:24 AM
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Columbus Day




I have a lot of good memories of Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman. We used to have fun around Columbus Day. Different groups of people would come to Indian support group meetings with questions or suggestions, and area news reporters would call me to try to get a chance to interview Paul. It’s always interesting to see people from different cultures interact, and to see that when different cultures intersect, there is a lot of potential for both good or bad.

I remember good people asking Paul if he thought we should "protest" Columbus Day? And he would say that no, we should always start by thinking that if we are going to interact with others, we need to understand where they stand, so that we can best communicate our message. And he said that while a lot of American people don’t really think about Columbus Day, that many others see it as a very positive thing. Paul said it would be an error to insult Italian-Americans by being aggressively anti-Columbus Day.

Chief Waterman said that the best thing we could do, was to take the opportunity to teach a more accurate history of what Columbus Day meant in terms of human history. He said that human beings do not learn the best when they are being attacked, insulted, or made to feel guilty about something – especially if it was something done by their ancestors’ ancestors. Instead, it is good to try to explore how different people view Columbus, and why.

Young people are usually the most interested in learning these things. When they reach a certain age, they develop a strong sense of right versus wrong, and sometimes feel outrage about historical injustices. We had some visits from college students who belonged to Native American or "students of color" groups. Paul loved them. A few of these were what we might call "militant." Paul used to teach that the most militant weapon we have is our minds, and that students should focus their minds on what is real, today.

A few times, we would have individuals who were from agencies with very different ideas on what is real today attempt to infiltrate and influence us. I remember one, who I will call "Ed" (Ed being his name), who always talked tough and advocated stupidity. He used to say we "had" to disrupt local Columbus Day parades by doing things like breaking 40 ounce bottles of "Crazy Horse Malt Liquor" in front of the people who are celebrating their heritage.

Chief Waterman had me tell Ed that no, that was not our way. That wasn’t the message we wanted to communicate. But Ed insisted that we weren’t true warriors. Paul had me give him a message which would convince his boss not to send him to us again. I laugh when I think back to that!

Chief Waterman could always make people laugh, at least most people. I remember when there was a group from the United Nations, talking to Indigenous Peoples about modern concerns. These were very serious meetings, and sometimes things that caused tension were discussed. During one very serious discussion, Chief Waterman "demanded" that the UN build three ships named the Pinto, the Nina, and the Santa Maria, that would be large enough to hold all the Euro-Americans. He said, "It was really nice that you came to visit. But you should probably be going home now."

Chief Waterman always got a kick out of the reporters who wanted to talk to him in the week before Columbus Day. He would tell them that Indians are Real People, and that good reporters should be using things like Columbus Day and Thanksgiving as vehicles to discuss the real issues that Native People face today.

One of his favorite tools for communicating the Native People’s message was a small book called "A Basic Call to Consciousness." I recently saw it re-issued in book stores, and it can be found on the internet. In September of 1977, the Non-Governmental Organizations of the United Nations held meetings in Geneva, Switzerland. Various Native People made presentations on the problems they face. The Haudenosaunee, or "Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy," made a fascinating presentation about how the current "modern society" abuses not only Native People and the environment, but is destroying their own sense of humanity.

And maybe that is the most important thing we should be focused on today. I think that we need young people who have the courage of a Christopher Columbus, and who will be brave enough to explore new ways of being Human Beings today.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:47 AM
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1. We Are Eyewitnesses To The Loss Of Humanity
'how the current "modern society" abuses not only Native People and the environment, but is destroying their own sense of humanity.
'
We now have the words to describe it; Abu Garib, Blackwater, war in Iraq, PNAC, * administration, SC decisions, Faux News, collateral damage, externals, No Child Left Behind, and on and on and on. Fill in the blank___________.

Throwing bottles of beer in front of people, good strategy, mush be a *bot.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:14 AM
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3. I have an image
of Ed, kicking back after a hard day's work as a contractor in Iraq, sucking down a 40 oz bottle of ale.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 AM
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5. A Job Made To Fit
the Ed types
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:55 AM
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2. Happy Columbus Day America

The North American Indian Won the WAR, now they have gone Global.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:30 AM
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4. I think it is good to bring more awareness
on the subject, since our education is too lop-sided favoring history starting with Europeans coming to America. However I agree it should be peaceful. It will be good when someday people are not as separated by their differences.

I found out about a book yesterday by a native Russian who wrote a book called When the Whales leave. They quoted him as saying -


"There is no border between ethnic and world culture", Yuri Rytkheu says. "This border is being drawn artificially. National culture reflects one's ethnic identity. At the same time it's part of international culture. Perhaps, some day ethnic distinctions will get obliterated, but in this case people may become depersonalized like mannequins in glass showcases".

"People should always remember that they have powerful ancestors in nature they trace their descent from", Rytkheu says. "Every whale is your relative, your brother. Being one's brother doesn't mean having the same appearance. Brotherhood means something different. The supreme manifestation of life is Love. Look for new brothers and take care of them, because only in unity you will be strong."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:37 PM
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18. Right.
It is good to recognize that you are part of the web of life.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:01 AM
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6. Kick
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:25 AM
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7. Kick, and passing this on to my children.
Thank you, H20man, again, for what you contribute to our society.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:02 PM
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15. Thank you.
I appreciate that!
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:44 AM
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8. The Chief was a very wise man
any relation, your nic is the same name H2O (Water) man.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:35 PM
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17. Yes.
He was a very wise man. And, yes, a relative.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:49 AM
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9. Thanks for that
A totally mundane query: was that gentleman in the movie "Thunderheart"?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:15 PM
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12. Thunderheart
is a wonderful movie; most of the Native people in it are Lakota, including the Elder that you are thinking of. But the resemblance is there -- my daughters wondered if that was Paul, too.

Onondaga and other Iroquois were in some of the other good movies from that era. I remember my mother-in-law was wondering why I didn't bring her to meet Kevin Costner! (grin) Also "Last of the Mohicans" had locals. Paul's son was in "Pow-Wow Highway," a film that I thought was pretty good. It didn't get a wide audience, though.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:22 PM
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13. Thankya
:toast:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:59 AM
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10. Curious, Are You At Liberty To Discuss
what the mssg was?

"Paul had me give him a message which would convince his boss not to send him to us again."

Great post as usual!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:26 PM
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14. I'll say this:
Back in the old days, there would be people who joined progressive groups, and who were always advocating the most extreme, stupid actions. Ed believed he was smarter than we were, when he was trying to sow the seeds of disruption. We indulged him for a while, but there comes a times when one must draw distinct boundries. And in this case, the general message was "do not try to bring that into the longhouse -- clean your own house."
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:09 PM
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11. Thank you for this
the loss of indigenous languages is of great concern all around the globe. As the elders go much departs with them.

I would question the "bravery" of C. Columbus and wouldn't connect his "exploration" with any great attribute of humanity. It was essentially a mercantile endeavor.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:40 PM
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19. Words have power.
Every time an Elder dies, something that only they knew is lost.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:59 PM
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16. Amen.



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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 03:52 PM
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20. Thank you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:49 PM
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21. Thanks.
It is a great book.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 03:17 AM
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22. K&R n/t
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