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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:36 PM
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"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006 Florida Dem spokesman about early primary vote.

"Florida Democrats are all for it," Mark Bubriski, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, said at the time. (The time was March 2006)


Yet even though it is more and more established that the Florida Democrats were ok with the idea, that they did not fight back....there are articles printed daily without that truth in them, articles that turn the DNC and its chairman into a caricature.

It is getting to so many of us here, and the leadership goes on with the righteous lawsuits. It is turning many away from active participation in the state.

Here is an example from today, talking points just from the Florida party side.

Florida Democrats make federal case out of presidential primary

The lawsuit argues that the Democratic Party's sanctions against Florida violate basic rights protected by the U.S. Constitution and the federal Voting Rights Act. In effect, the right to vote supersedes a political party's right to enforce internal rules for a primary election.

The two pols did the right thing. The national party had it coming.

It was a rather obtuse Democratic National Party, led by chairman Howard Dean, that imposed sanctions on the Sunshine State after the Florida Legislature changed the date of the presidential primary to late January. The fact that the primary date change came as part of a larger elections reform package, or that it was a fait accompli in a Republican-controlled legislature didn't matter.

It also apparently didn't mean much to the party that Florida officials tried to work out a compromise that would accommodate both the party and those states yearning for an earlier spot in the process to select a presidential nominee.


Implying the "obtuseness" of the national party. Not presenting both sides. Poor and biased journalism. It works, and it is hurting all of us here.

It was not a "fait accompli" of the Republicans, the Democrats worked with them.

The Democrats here have apparently, it is now coming out, been on board with the Republicans here since at least spring of last year. They were not against the vote to move the primary ahead, and they understood the consequences.

"Florida Democrats are all for it," Mark Bubriski, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, said in March 2006

Rubio already had Democrats on board.

"Florida Democrats are all for it," Mark Bubriski, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, said at the time. (The time was March 2006)


So now there are at least two lawsuits against Howard Dean and the DNC, with no fair coverage here at all.

In fact from the very first the Florida party used the media to put all the blame on the national party.

"We are quite concerned that Florida Democrats are going to lose their right to vote," Nelson said. "And of all states, we have the sensitivity of this because of what we have gone through."

.."The state's congressional delegation also sent a letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean threatening a voting rights investigation in response to sanctions. However, national Democratic officials insist there is no legal basis to force the party to seat delegates in violation of its rules, and Nelson could not say what law the DNC would be violating or where the case could be pursued."

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.


They voted 115 to 1 to move the primary ahead. Fighting back would have allowed them to keep the delegates.

From the link above which quotes Terry McAuliffe's book, "What a party"...he did some fighting over the last primary.

"Expletives were flying. The head of the Democratic National Committee was having it out with Sen. Carl Levin because Michigan wanted to crash the rarefied club of early presidential primary states.

Move your primary too early, Terry McAuliffe warned, and Michigan will lose half its delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention.

"The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television," McAuliffe vowed. "I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules."


Nobody sued McAuliffe, did they? But two lawsuits against Dean and the DNC (Bill Nelson, Alcee Hastings, and a Tampa activist who vows it is only the "first bite of the apple")

It was ok when McAuliffe instilled party discipline. But now it is not ok when Howard Dean is doing it. And he is being sued.

I wonder why that is.

(And to those wondering how long I plan to post about this? The answer is as long as it takes to get people to tell the truth.)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:43 PM
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1. (whine) But we didn't have a choice(/whine)
"The Republicans MADE us do it!"

Bullshit.

Why Dean and not McAuliffe? Because Dean's not a Clintonista, that's why.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:45 PM
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2. I decided to be brave and ask it.
Because it has bothered me since I read that about McAuliffe.

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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:50 PM
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3. I am sick and tired of the Florida Democratic Party
This is getting out of hand with them. They keep making more and more excuses. And we are still screwed here in Florida. Ever since 2000, the Florida Dems have gone further and further towards the dark side. I could just scream right now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:36 PM
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4. I see you are in the district...
where your chairwoman sent an email saying to withhold funds from the DNC...I was looking at your profile, hope you don't mind. Did I get that right, Celeste Bush is her name. Maybe she is nice, but that email really bothered me.

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:52 AM
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7. FL Dems are turning poll voting into an Olympic event
I'm screaming too.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:27 PM
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5. Dean due in Okaloosa County tomorrow. Party officials may not attend.
This kind of thing has got to be hard on the county party officials.

Breakfast with Howard Dean to cost $100

Toni Craig, who chairs the Okaloosa County Democratic Executive Committee, said the ongoing tiff between Florida’s Democrats and the national committee will be set aside when Dean arrives for an 8 a.m. breakfast at Harbor Docks restaurant in Destin.

“It will be interesting to see him and hear what he has to say,” Craig said. “We’re not going to be ugly or anything.”

Craig said she expects between 40 and 50 people to pay the $100 minimum contribution to see Dean, but it was unclear Monday whether anyone from the state Democratic Party would be in attendance.

State party spokesman Alejandro Miyar said Florida officials don’t typically attend fund-raisers, and state party chairwoman Karen Thurmond was not scheduled to make an appearance Wednesday.


More about the Destin visit there.

Dean going to Destin

Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is coming to Destin. And the chairwoman of Okaloosa County’s Democratic Party stands ready to give him an ear full.

“I’ve got a few questions to ask him,” Toni Craig said. “Needless to say I’m not very happy with the DNC.”

There may be some protesters,” Craig said.

But Charles Morgan, the owner of Harbor Dock’s, promised a distinguished affair inside his restaurant.

“We can’t have any nuts come in here and have a battle,” he said


I am just embarrassed for my state, who can not welome with open arms a visit from the chairman. Something is just so wrong with that picture.

He will also visit Tallahassee for a fundraiser, and often leaves a portion with the states. He was insulted by Steve Geller over this one.

Geller says Dean only welcome in certain areas of the state.

Geller is the guy quoted in Michael Scherer's Salon article on primaries. Scherer must not be aware of these insults.

Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller, who on Wednesday labeled Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina “terrorist, rogue states” for coercing Democratic presidential candidates not to campaign in Florida in advance of its Jan. 29 primary, on Thursday announced he will not be attending a Tallahassee fundraiser held by the head terrorist himself, Democratic chairman Howard Dean.

“He’s welcome in certain, small enclaves of the state,” Geller told the Q. “If you don’t have something nice to say about someone, you shouldn’t say anything at all. Therefore I will not go.”


Dean is scheduled to attend an Oct. 9 fundraiser at the law office of Allan Katz, a Florida Democratic National Committee member who has unsuccessfully tried to persuade the state party to abandon the Jan. 29 primary and schedule a convention or caucuses after Feb. 5.


Things are so bad here that leading state Democrats feel perfectly free to insult the chairman of the party with impunity...and no one says enough is enough.





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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:01 AM
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9. Pay to play "democracy". Disgusting!
:puke:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:47 PM
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16. But your saying enough is enough, isn't there a way to get your voice and others who feel the same
to be able to be heard?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:19 PM
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6. The Salon article today gave Steve Geller credence.
Geller is the one who says IA, NH, NV, and SC are "terrorist rogue states". He is the one who says he might sue them for pressuring presidential candidates. He is the one who says Howard Dean is only welcome in some areas of Florida.

He is the one who laughed his own amendment off the floor...tough guy.

Yet he was given credence today by Salon.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:57 PM
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11. Salon is an anti-Dean site and always has been.
There were dozens of articles written trashing Dean clear back in 2002, 2003, and 2004.
When he ran for the DNC chairmanship, they even had articles dissing him.

I no longer use links from Salon's site because they seem to be skewed either to support Bush outright, or the Iraq War, or some of warmongering members of the DLC from the reich wing of the Democratic party.
They liked Bayh, they love Hillary.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:48 AM
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8. Florida should have to sit out this year, after all the bullshit they put the country through.
:D
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:45 PM
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10. Clinton's Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe?
Gawd - how deep does this rabbit hole go?
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:18 AM
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12. Has "Democratic Party v. Wisconsin" been overturned?
"For even if the State were correct, a State, or a court, may not constitutionally <450 U.S. 124> substitute its own judgment for that of the Party. A political party's choice among the various ways of determining the makeup of a State's delegation to the party's national convention is protected by the Constitution. And as is true of all expressions of First Amendment freedoms, the courts may not interfere on the ground that they view a particular expression as unwise or irrational."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=450&invol=107

I think freedom of association and the Bill of Rights should not be ignored for transitory gains. I think Dean is standing on firm and correct grounds.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:00 PM
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17. No, that is the ruling the DNC is using.
And they are on firm ground.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:20 AM
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13. Said it before & I'll say it again, madfloridian, your work on this
has been just exceptional. Thank you!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 PM
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14. Thanks...did you see what Pelosi said. Pushing the Florida propaganda
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"..." Pelosi also said the imbroglio over the primary isn’t the fault of Florida Democrats, who are the ones being sanctioned.

“Let’s be clear about what happened in Florida. The Republican legislature changed the date of the election there and also put a tax issue on the ballot that the Democrats just could not walk away from,” she said. “It wasn’t Florida Democrats who said they wanted to push earlier.”

This whole thing has made my hubby and I just sick inside.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:44 PM
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15. It's just appalling
And what's worse is the amount of deliberate misinformation being spread around. Thanks for all you're doing to set the record straight on this travesty.

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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:13 PM
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18. So what are the national ramifications?
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 09:14 PM by RiverStone
So the FLA Dem Party acting like a spoiled kid, refusing to follow the rules of the DNC - I wonder how could this mess spillover to the General?

We know they might not get delegates - so that would leave tons of pissed off folks in FLA.

Though beyond that, if FLA continues to challenge (or sue) the DNC; could this selfish BS hurt the Party at large? Or worse, in some way feed into the rethug hands a regional election advantage? It certainly looks bad.

I suppose the same questions could apply to MI as well.

Thanks Mad:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:31 PM
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19. The continued lawsuits are appalling.
Especially Bill Nelson's which uses race as a basis. Alcee Hastings has joined with him. The Tampa activist, Victor DiMaio, says though his case was dismissed he will pursue it every onward...said it is the first bite of the apple. :shrug:

I think the lawsuits will cause more division than there has to be.
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