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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:53 PM
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Voting in the Repuk-lian primary
Since the candidates I might consider are withdrawing from the Michigan primary, I'm going to vote in the Repuk primary for Rep. Ron Paul. I hope that he gains some traction and maybe shakes things up a bit in that God forsaken party but I'm probably dreaming.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:08 PM
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1. How can you do that
switch parties?
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:14 PM
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2. Michigan allows you to vote which ever...
as long as you don't vote in both, you can vote in either.

I'll hold my nose and vote as a repuklian. I disagree firmly with Ron Paul's economic policy but I strongly agree with his morality and objectivity on the war.

Plus, I'm pissed at the democrats for f*$E@-up the Michigan primary and not giving me my vote in the Democratic primary.

New Hampshire and Iowa have too much power. It is time to break that monopoly.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:16 PM
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3. Iowa & New Hampshire
Can any one explaine to me why those two states have to be first? I am 65 so keep it simple for me.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 04:46 PM
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5. I too live in Michigan
Just don't understand how you can just switch parties? Makes no sense. Seems unethical unless you are changing parties.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:07 PM
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6. party labels
Don't have any "ethics" in that sense. Really, I don't give a damn about messing up the repuke's primary. If I can legally vote, then I will. Isn't that what "democracy" is really about. Some silly label that someone decided applies to me doesn't - I'm not a democrate either but I fell comfortable voting in the primary in that party - why should I exclude myself from the repuklian primary just because I'd die before voting for their general candidate?

Calling oneself a "democrate" or a "republican" and then restraining yourself to vote in only one seems ridiculus to me. Party labels and party exclusive primarys seem "unethical" to me.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:31 PM
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8. Have you noticed that this is Democratic Underground?
In my opinion switch voters have no steady identity nor are they in any cause for the long haul. If you can't see that the GOP has destroyed this country and our very democratic fiber then go ahead "stay the course".
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:07 PM
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10. fine - enjoy your opinion but I consider it naive
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:09 PM by jimlup
I think you have found party labels to be more important that they really are. "democratic" underground. Well, I vote democratic most of the time, but frankly my friend, if Hillary is the nominee, I'll have to go for an independent.

You are correct - the repukes are on the verge of destroying the country. Problem is the democrates haven't stood up to them. They seem to be sold down into the same coorporate power structure. Ultimately, they are only a slightly lower level of lesser evil.

Yeah, I'll consider myself a "democrat" when the democrats grow a backbone. They don't appear to be anywhere near that state.

I mean really - what is the point in voting in the democratic primary if the choice is Hillary or Hillary? Voting for Ron Paul sends a message to both the mainstream repukes and the mainstream media.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:55 AM
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4. Did Ron pitch his GOP bedfellows any shit tonight?
I don't watch the rethug debates, but I have seen a few YouTube clips of Ron raising hell with the Iraq War Mongers.

Did he do that again tonight?
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:10 PM
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7. Yep
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 09:10 PM by jimlup
But they and the mainstream media missed the point as usual. I saw a guest on 'hardball' ridiculing Paul's position as ridiculus and claiming it "didn't need comment" and laughing because he said Paul's statement that Iran wasn't a threat was "ridiculus".

What is ridiculus is what passes for intelligent comentary in our media.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:38 PM
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9. So.......
Is it the dedication to the legislation of women's bodies that you are so hot for? Maybe the issue of Paul's about the disolutionment of SS that tickles you. How about supporting HS families to back out of taxes that support public school systems? Maybe the racist thinking of Mexicans? Have you bought into the ideal that Mexicans destroy our economy when we know for a fact that they actually fuel our economy? How about supporting the gun lobbyists? Yes, let's have a gun in every car and for every citizen that should help violence.

Why are you even here?
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:14 PM
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11. What is your problem - really?
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:25 PM by jimlup
I don't know why you question my position with such venom as to question my posting to a progressive web site? Are you such a hard core "democrat" that you can't detect a cynic? I'm for a Ron Paul over a Hillary any day. A hard core libertarian with a true set of honest core libertarian values beats a sellout anytime.

A woman's right to choose isn't a litmus test issue for me. Perhaps it is for you? No?
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:35 PM
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12. My problem?
It's thinking like yours that got RR elected.

A woman's right to choose isn't a litmus test issue for me. Perhaps it is for you? No?
Yes the enslavement of women's bodies, or half of our citizens, is quite important to me. I notice that Paul is not for funding the poor, assisting women to keep their children so he is a hypocrit. His stance with gays is also bad. So what's left? The white, Christian male.

He is against taxes. How do we run a society, have SS, programs for poor, for children etc?

He is against funding for stem cells.

His stance on religion is truly frightening: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

If that is progressive in your mind then........

{shakes head, walks away}
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:12 PM
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13. war is a problem
The war is my number one issue... and we need to shake stuff up. Paul is responsible on that. No I don't know his religous positions. Maybe I'll check into them, thanks.

Anyway, I'm not against you. I just don't see why you're so negative about my honest musings. I don't take stuff so seriously as to critize others directly and question their site membership - I like being able to express my ideas openly and get suggestions from others. I'm human and I make mistakes, unlike most posters - I'll freely admit that. I'll take your suggestions into my calculations - thanks. But I still think a vote for Ron Paul expresses a disatisfaction with the democratic primary pulling out of Michigan AND votes against this catastrophic war.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 11:14 PM
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14. Vote for guiliani. It'd be a much more interesting election. n't
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