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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:44 AM
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Steny Hoyer: Amnesty for Telecom Corporate Criminals Who Spy on You
Steny Hoyer: Amnesty for Telecom Corporate Criminals Who Spy on You


A top Democratic leader opened the door Tuesday to granting U.S. telecommunications companies retroactive legal immunity for helping the government conduct electronic surveillance without court orders, but said the Bush administration must first detail what those companies did.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said providing the immunity will likely be the price of getting President Bush to sign into law new legislation extending the government's surveillance authority. About 40 pending lawsuits name telecommunications companies for alleged violations of wiretapping laws. Democrats introduced a draft version of the new law Tuesday _ without the immunity language.



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/10/dems_opens_door_for_immunity_i.php

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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:52 AM
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1. That's okay, I didn't need those rights any way.
I've got a shredder you can borrow for what remains of our rights. Al Qaeda and the war on terra are way more important than any rights. Oh, and while you're at it, go ahead and appoint Bush King for life. I'm getting tired of elections too. What do we need them for?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:58 AM
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2. My guess is that the phone companies routed calls out of the country ...
.... and back into America so "they" could be looked at as possible international
"terra calls."

Oh look John Kerry's phone call just had to be routed through Canada .... guess
we must see if he was talking to al Qaeda.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:58 AM
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3. Stench Hoyer needs to go right along with Madame Squeaker and Mr. Mouse.
What citizen would be given such a deal? retroactive immunity!
:thumbsdown:

This is government by a bunch of crooks! Scare the masses and takeaway all their rights and treasury.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:00 AM
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4. Yep, they are laughing all the way to the bank......
Who will question them? They are the authority.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:01 AM
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5. I posted a thread about this last night just before I hit the hay.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 09:02 AM by Opposite Reaction
Got some discussions going.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2011363

I do not want to see any more accommodation for criminals. Amnesty for the telecoms is the first move to protect them as a cohesive (and ever-consolidating) corporate structure. It's not just an attempt to "get information", it's a bold and obvious attempt by the corporate-friendly Democrats to curry favor.

I want to see the thousands of complicit criminals brought to justice, and I want to see the giant Telecoms, along with the giant Media companies, torn apart. No media company should have more than three media outlets of any kind, and no more than one in any municipal market. Back to the way it used to be.

Once, in Houston, the Hobby family owned a radio and TV station and the Houston Post and that stood as an unusual situation for decades. They had those outlets before new laws limiting ownership were in place. Now, there are no limits, propaganda is the rule of the day, and the Telecoms are routinely committing the highest crimes against American citizens with no threat of punishment.

I want to see the traitors infesting the Telecoms to get the same legal treatment as someone caught smuggling a ton of coke into the country. I want the corporate Telecom and Media companies to get the same treatment as a front company for a drug smuggling enterprise.

Edit: pre-coffee spelling
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:03 AM
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6. so do we selectively decide who is allowed to break our laws??
because little lord pissy pants will hold up a bill?

i hate these fuckers..i really do..i am so fed up..

fly
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:06 AM
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8. yep ever since Bush v Gore --
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 09:06 AM by librechik
it's "Our Cronies win"


"Your cronies die in prison Ha ha ha ha ha!"
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:04 AM
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7. looks like those dems are seriously gonna challenge junior on his wiretapping...yep
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:06 AM
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9. the truth will set you free...LMAO








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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:13 AM
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10. I Work for Verizon
and was furious that they client data without a warrant to the government. This was completely unprecedented.

However, I've seen claims that they way the Patriot Act or other laws were written forced them to turn over records. If they simply obeyed laws that turn out to be unconstitutional, I don't see a problem with granting amnesty. But the Bush administration needs to be punished for breaking the law.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:13 AM
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11. and now little lord pissy pants is going to have a press conf about FISA..
so what is it Steny..more lies he will tell to scare your precious little hearts..well let me tell you what scares me Steny..it is you..you who are allowing this white house to break our laws and shit on our constitution with immunity from you!

I have had enough from you gutless spineless jerks who refuse to follow our laws..amd then give immunity to those law breakers..enough! enough already.;.get the hell out of our congress if you can not abide by our laws and constituion..because you are worthless if you care so little for those laws!

Rule of Law Steny..it used to mean something..now it is a joke and you are making it a joke!

fly
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:56 AM
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12. Article 1
"No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed"

wouldn't this immunity be UNconstitutional - oh so that would be legislating unconstitutional on top of unconstitutional - glad they are consistent

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM
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13. Can we impeach Hoyer?
Let's get a petition going...

No way this guy is a Democrat.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:27 AM
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14. Read the article
It says that Steny Hoyer "said that giving the telephone companies immunity would LIKELY BE THE PRICE they have to pay to get bush to sign the legislation. LIKELY BE THE PRICE........LIKELY BE THE PRICE.....

He did not under any circumstances say it would be. If you read the whole piece you will see he was trying to lay out what they MIGHT -- GET THAT MIGHT have to do to get the bill passed.

You people read a headline and not the article and then jump in. You know the media tries to spin.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:31 PM
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16. so when the telcos are given that immunity..
you'll be here to admit that you're incorrect, right?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:43 AM
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15. They don't have to pass a bill to extend Bush's authority for life
so why are we even talking about a "compromise"?

Bush: "The next error attack will be your fault!"

Reid: "The next terror attack will be investigated by the FBI and if you or anyone you are affiliated even had a shred of information you withheld from us, we'll impeach your ass and try you for treason!"

That would be the proper response.
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