I Officially Give Up On The Democrats !!!

By Cenk Uygur :evilgrin:

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It's going to take a generation to move these spineless Democrats out of office. Unfortunately, that is our only alternative. You can't vote for a Republican these days and the Democrats make you embarrassed to ever be associated with them.

And...

The answer is at the end of the article. Interest groups that are working closely with the Democrats explain their primary concern -- being called weak on terror. But don't you see, you are weak! Miserably weak. Not because of any actions you might or might not have taken on the war on terror, but because you keep caving into an administration that has no political capital because you don't have the nerve to fight for your principles.

How is it possible to have any respect for these Democrats? Every day, I struggle not to call them cowards and weaklings. And every day they make it harder. They are truly pathetic. I'm so tired of encouraging them to grow a backbone. It's a hopeless struggle. I give up.

And...

Let me tell you a quick story told to me by a former staffer of one of the Democratic leaders. He said a consultant told this senator that the only way he could lose his senate seat is if he was challenged the Republicans in any meaningful way. His advice was to give in to them on every occasion, and specifically at the time, on the Alito nomination.

This particular senator did not give in on the Alito nomination (nor did he put up any kind of effective fight, either). But the message from the "Democratic" consultant was clear -- you will never be challenged from the left, so always give into the right.

There is only one way to change that way of thinking. Challenge them from the left. Because this group of Democrats are hopeless. We need a whole new class of leaders.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/i-officially-give-up-on-t_b_67654.html

I'm right around the corner there Cenk!

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virtually ignored

We should all send them copies of this article. It might actually make them think?

It's the same thing.

Me and Lynn Woolsey from the left; John Dean and Bob Barr from the right.

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the left is the solution

That'll learn the spineless bastids ... :grr:

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Nancy Pelosi is of course some sort of Neo-Con now isn't she?

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She seems a bit irritated by the patter coming from the little people:

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/building-buddhas-by-digby-riff-raff-is.html

I just can't get my head around this sort of attitude and thinking, it's incredibly baffling to me.

And I consider no Democratic politician a "traitor", they're doing their best under extraordinarily difficult circumstances and they deserve a bit more support and respect and understanding, in my humble opinion.

I was going to delete my comment, thinking I'd misread that posters comments.

So "safe seats"....what about calling Democratic politicians who don't happen to share 100% of your views "traitors"?

they are Democratic traitors. They are taking advantage of us and they need a wake-up call.

Why would someone like Dianne Feinstein -- a SAN FRANCISCAN Senator who represents California -- vote to censure MoveOn after ALL the rightwing crap that has been slung at anyone remotely left of center? There's absolutely no reason for it, and it makes me furious. People who represent Democratic areas should not be voting for crap like that, period.

right down to the story about the anonymous Senator. I hate this broad brush crap.

because great thinkers don't support blatant wars of aggression, honey, or didn't you get that memo?

Now here he is calling Democratic politicians "spineless" and saying it's going to take a "generation to remove them from office"

Sounds like Uygur is getting scared because he KNOWS come 2009 a Democrat will be in the White House.

are a marvelous way to undermine activist base support for the Democrats.

Just sayin'.

Good thing that some people can see what his little game is.


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that jackass is wonderously effective.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=56494

He's actually on our side.

He just doesn't put up with week-kneed politicians of any stripe!

And neither do I!

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He was never pro-war. He is a huffington post blogger and has a left-wing radio show on satellite. theyoungturks.com.

He was one of the leaders in the movement to keep alito off the bench. He ran a 7 day 24 hour a day filibuster, talking about the constitution. He is good friends with Wesley Clark. (Maybe that is why you think he's pro-war, because he has a military friend?) extremely anti-war. And turkish, so he knows the region and has been analyzing the war for years, and talking about what really happens there.

you can see years of his work on youtube or at the theyoungturks.com

MKJ

This one, who started the first progressive talk radio show in the US.

and now finding out that until recently he was a big supporter of the Iraq debacle, I'd be curious what you have to say.

kind of dissapointed myself, perhaps my standards though not high should be lower.

MKJ

years ago. maybe you just hear him now because air america took over the show, but I have been listening to him for many years. not a pro war minute.

MKJ

FWIW. MKJ

Ben was the liberal, Jill, I'm not sure.

MKJ

Ive had to argue this point from day one, I am by far probably one of the least knowledgeable people on this board and it was just so in your face that how could people be so fooled?

MKJ

years ago, and not just dem, extremely leftwing, since bush took office.

we find we continue to face obstacles designed to steer us off course.

After his vote for cloture, I called his office and tore his staff several new orifices, then followed it up with a letter referring to "that" phone call. I think I must have had a lot of company at that time, because the old boy has behaved himself since then, developing a solidly Democratic voting record.

Yes, we have to challenge these guys. We have to be LOUD, we have to spend money on PHONE CALLS and STAMPS. We have to let those bastards know we're out here, we're paying attention, we're not happy with GOP lite, and we VOTE.

They'll think they can ignore us if we don't remind them who we are and just who they are supposed to be working for.

WE have to quit caving. We have to stop excusing them when they fail us, we have to stop accepting "less" evil. Evil is evil just like pregnant is pregnant.

Challenge them from the left -- HELL YES!

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Okay, so give up on the Democrats, your alternative is WHAT exactly?

Third Party candidates? Great, that results in the Republicans winning, which helps HOW?

People such as this Cenk Uygur constantly demand that Democratic politicians and Democratic candidates are "challenged from the Left", why? Because they know that it'll result in the Republicans winning.

Maybe all of these people who are so upset with the Democratic Party and Democratic politicians, which in the case of Cenk Uygur, it appears he's upset with ALL Democratic politicians, maybe Uygur and his ilk should just form a new political party and leave the Democratic Party alone....WHY bother with the Democratic Party, they obviously hate the party and never miss an opportunity to bash the party and it's elected officials.

Cenk Uygur and Co. could always go and join The Ralph Nader party, I'm sure Nader would make them happy.


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a supporter of the war, and attended Federalist society meetings.

He's a fucking johny-come-lately blowhard. Fuck him.

Yeah until very recently he was a Republican and a cheerleader for the Iraq War....he then suddenly becomes a "Democrat", and proceeds to write an article that declares that he's immediately given up on ALL Democrats and says it's going to take a "generation" to remove the "spineless Democrats" from office, he then urges the only way to do this is to encourage a "challenge from the Left"....

....which as he knows will result in the election of more members of his REAL party, the Republican Party.

:hi: MKJ

Your tinfoil\ignorance is showing bigtime here.

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Told her she was fired, have fun drawing a pension on the public teat. How's that for a quixotic gesture? Although I meant what I said: I will never vote for her again. (I had for many years previously.)

Barbara? :evilgrin:

MKJ

To avoid the name rather than be a smartass, Maryland has only one female Senator.

I've been known to vote Independent (or Republican) or leave chit-marks open if I didn't like ANY of the Dem choices.

well, good for you, those Republicans do such a bang up job you must be glowing with pride. MKJ

Sometimes the best candidate isn't with the "correct" party. And I'm very proud to say I don't play "schoolyard cliques" about it.

MKJ

And I don't plan to put up with your juvenile catcalling any longer, either. Congrats on making my "ignore" list.

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I'm sure I join a group of people that I admire! MKJ

or some other Uncle Tom Bushbot. It would serve you right.

Again, punishment for what? Get a grip. You'd think this was freeperland, for other reasons.

I most definitely did NOT vote for Lt. Photo Op in the last Md. Gubernatorial. But when Congressional Dems start acting like "Bushbots," I wonder what's the difference? And we're going to have a Democratic President in 2008, aren't we?

to which we could funnel all these middle of the road Politicians like Ahnold Schwartzenegger and Hillary Clinton.

Then the people that do not offer their minds, bodies and souls up for auction to the highest corporate bidder and that stillw ant to be part of thepolitical process can decide whether they are more Democratic or Republican and begin the hard work of restoring those parties to sometime of integral meaning.

I think the fallout would be fascinating.

Heads would explode.

Great idea.

:sarcasm:

Nah, they'd just rather destroy the Democratic party.

like this....

Arrogant atheist mother fucker....\\Yes, you are a hero to many, but this crosses the line...\\

In case ya haven't noticed....we are trying to to rid ourselves of RePublicanism...not insure their gross influence on our Society.

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interesting and disturbing advice.

It's the exact opposite.

Simple as that. While the struggle may be difficult, only the weak give up.

The professional consultant class are not bound by any sense of ethical consideration and the majority of them seem to be beneath contempt. They don't understand what drives populist politics and when they do they tend to congregate around our worst impulses.

Honestly these are fools that told Gore not to run on the environment and suggested to all to the 'first tier' democratic candidates for president in 2004 to NOT vote agaisnt the war in congress.

It is these consultants that soften every position and buff away any bit of edge or fire from a candidate.

These people will work PR and spin for anyone and cannot really be trusted to advise our candidates.

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I'm calling it right now: to call the Democrats in this Congress spineless is to paint yourself as completely ignorant of the way Congress works.

The reality is this: Congress is controlled by ONE FUCKING VOTE IN THE SENATE. And that one vote is shadow-Republican Joe Lieberman. Nothing gets done in the Senate without the consent of the most criminal political party in the history of our nation. So nothing is getting done, because that's the best thing we can do right now.

It doesn't matter at all what Nancy Pelosi does in the House. Any legislation she rams through will simply die in the Senate. Were she to play a hard-line game in the House, all she would succeed in doing is making a number of reelection efforts more difficult for the Democrats next year.

In fact, as Dennis Kucinich points out, the only thing the Democrats can do right now is nothing. They could in theory starve out the war by refusing to bring funding bills for it to a vote. But of course, in so doing, plenty of people--including plenty of the readers and writers I'm chastising right now--would simply start bitching about how the "do nothing" Congress is getting kids killed in Iraq by not supplying them. You can bet your ass that our insane Vice President will keep them there until they fucking starve--and blame the Democrats the whole way.

There is an entire array of issues which split this way: do nothing and cause untold havoc, or compromise with those evil bastard Republicans and try to get one more twist in the tourniquet until we can run those bastards out of the Senate and the White House.

If you don't know and understand this basic fact, you are unqualified to comment on what's going on in Congress.

Then why are we not seeing every vote lose by one?

Why are 20 Democrats voting to condemn the Move On Petraeus ad? There are far more DINOs in Congress than you want to believe.

giving in to the right doesn't win over the right, it only pisses off the left. They end up not even bothering to vote. RWers that I know say that their main beef with the left is that they don't "stand for anything", and that they seem weak because of this. Instead of being pro-war in an effort to "look tough", Dems ought to actually act like the loyal opposition for a change and BE tough!

But I believe with a strong Democratic leader, much of this will change. The massive house cleaning could come after '09, with the right leader. Perhaps when both sides of the aisle are removed from wiretapping, blackmail, and bribery threats things will change.

Gore still very well may enter. If he does not, I will put all my energies into convincing people that Edwdards is our best chance for change. I've already convinced two close relatives of this -- when I reeled out the dirt on Hillary, they where aghast -- neither one was aware of the crap. They both want Edwards strongly now.

Will Gore fight for us? You're darned right.

Would Edwards fight for us? His rhetoric points more and more in that direction. And I think he'd feel the trial lawyer surge of adrenaline when he drags the bums down and throws them in the can.

And our sisteren (is there such a word)?

These are very frustrating times. I myself feel like quitting it all several times a week. But I know that I cannot live without hope. Life becomes meaningless. So I keep coming back and thinking of the best (most productive) ways to fight the machine.

At the very least, it involves educating people at every possible chance.

their incompetence, compared to the ruthless efficiency of the same kind of slim repuke majority just a couple of years ago, borders on complicity with the bush agenda.