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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:55 PM
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Hey Floridians, am I nuts? I think I'm beginning to like your repuke governor.
Not that I've kept up with much down there in the Sunshine State, but first Crist initiates a push to get rid of EV and go to verifiable paper ballots, and now I read he doesn't want support and fund the push to enshrine discrimination against gays in the FL constitution in the form of an amendment enshrining marriage as between a man and a woman. He sounds like an OK guy. Is he? Or am I laboring under a delusion?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:57 PM
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1. I like Charlie too
He's always been a moderate, or should I say liberal, Republican. I voted for Davis, but felt Charlie was a good choice, and so far he has not dissapointed me.

I just want him to reform our education system. Florida's schools are crap...
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:57 PM
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2. Sad for Florida part is he is more Liberal than most Florida Dems in the House
and Bill Nelson in the Senate. :cry:

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:58 PM
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3. I think he's a Liar...Which is a GOOD thing...
He was a little far right when running for office but
now that he's in, He's doing all the "Left" Goodies!!

I like the Dude..
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:59 PM
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4. When he dissed * on election eve, I thought he might not be so bad.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:59 PM
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5. Jebbie was ALL BAD
so a mixed bag like Charlie Crist is going to be an enormous improvement.

Don't worry, though. He's a repug and he'll do something awful, sooner or later.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:09 PM
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6. I'm cautiously optimistic
I'm finding it hard to believe he actually did something about the insurance crisis and then he moved to get rid of our our touch screen voting. I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop, though.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:11 PM
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7. I think Crist is looking way beyond Florida
His years as governor will lay the ground for...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:14 PM
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8. For what?
Somehow I can't see him as laying the groundwork for a presidential run in the Repuke party. His actions thus far hardly seem calibrated to please the repuke base. Aside from that, I understood he was gay, and a gay republican just doesn't stand a chance in hell in national politics.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:16 PM
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9. This might be of interest to you
It is from an email so there is no link:

IMP-PAC Applauds Governor Crist's Move to the Center in Florida
Crist aims to steer Florida GOP toward center
By S.V. Dáte
Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau
Saturday, February 10, 2007

TALLAHASSEE — Still three weeks from his first regular legislative session, Gov. Charlie Crist already has put behind him a new law dealing with the top issue of the campaign trail: property insurance.

And as a new governor with a legislature led by his own party, he is almost certain to get quick approval of his personal top issue for the past three years: an "anti-murder" bill to get tough on probation-violators.

Not yet known, though, is whether these successes and even Crist's stellar approval ratings can let him manage what could be his boldest but, so far, his least-publicized challenge: to remake the state Republican Party in his own, more centrist image.

"Clearly a more tolerant party that believes in good law and order, sound financial discipline but ... a true compassion for people and our environment, particularly in a state like Florida, it is the wave of the future," said Crist, who prefers to call himself a "problem-solver" rather than accept a label like "moderate."

Yet on issue after issue - from cracking down on insurance companies to supporting implementation of the class-size amendment to pushing to scrap touch-screen voting machines - Crist has broken with conservative Republican orthodoxy of the past decade. Crist said he is merely trying to get his party back to the principles of founders such as Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.

The strategy seems to be working so far. A recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Crist with a 69 percent approval rating, with only 6 percent disapproving.

"Charlie is hitting Republican politics at exactly the right time to moderate the Republican Party in the state," said former state GOP Chairman Tom Slade, who cites the unpopularity of President Bush and the results of the 2006 congressional elections as proof that Crist is on the right track. "We have scared voters off with some of the hard-right stuff."

"Charlie Crist is doing exactly the right thing," said former GOP New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, who has taken the same message nationally with a book titled It's My Party Too and a political action committee named for it.

She said recent polls show that 60 percent of Americans call themselves political centrists.

"That's where we need to run," she said. "We're sick to death of this hard-edged, narrow-minded image...We've had this attitude over the last few years that if you're not with me, you're against me."

'Room for both sides'

Crist said he is trying to accomplish what he promised on the campaign trail, not actively trying to generate new, more like-minded recruits to the party.

"It may have the unintended additional effect of expanding the base of the party I happen to belong to," Crist said. "I think it may open the eyes of some who may have thought that Republicans necessarily stood against the importation of prescription drugs from Canada, or stood against having a paper trail in our voting system, or stood against fighting for the betterment of our environment. But here we have a Republican governor who's fighting for all of those things, and higher teacher pay, and so maybe it gets a second look as a result."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, one the of most outspoken Christian conservatives in the legislature, praised Crist's new direction - provided it does not move away from what he called "core" Republican positions such as opposition to abortion.

Baxley pointed to Crist's proposal to fund stem-cell research - a proposal that disappointed many Democrats and some Republicans because it would exclude most embryonic stem cells - as proof that Crist was willing to accommodate the GOP's base of social conservatives.

"That big tent covers people a little over to the right, too, like me," said Baxley, who for much of last year criticized Crist as too liberal. "Those are not necessarily in conflict. I think there's room for both."

Ending the run to the right

Crist's run as a different sort of Republican began more than a year ago. For decades in Florida, GOP primary politics has been a race to the right. But when Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher pulled out all the stops to lock up the "base" as defined by both President Bush and his brother, former Gov. Jeb Bush, Crist did not follow.

As Gallagher hammered on the importance of opposing gay marriage and abortions, Crist instead hammered insurance companies and electrical utilities. While Gallagher held news conferences with religious conservatives, Crist held one with the daughter of a black slain civil rights leader in Brevard County - and even acknowledged the consternation the move could cause among some GOP voters.

"There may be some that would conclude that it might be detrimental in a Republican primary, but that's not really what matters," Crist said in August, when as state attorney general he named four long-dead Klansmen as the killers in the case.

Crist won the primary by nearly a 2-1 margin, but a bigger statement came on the eve of the general election. President Bush flew to Pensacola, one of the few places in Florida where he was still popular, to campaign for Crist. But when Bush took the stage with Jeb Bush, Crist was in Delray Beach, talking to voters at a bagel shop.

The next day, North Florida voters were relatively cool to Crist. Twenty-eight conservative counties that had given Jeb Bush a 214,000-vote margin in 2002 gave Crist a 187,000-vote margin in 2006, even though voter registration had grown over those four years.

In 2002, those counties gave Bush 54 percent more votes than there were Republican voters. In 2006, the figure for Crist was down to 9 percent.

Crist wound up beating Democrat Jim Davis by 342,000 votes, a margin of 7 percent. It was a closer gap than either of Jeb Bush's victories, leading some conservative Republicans to grumble privately that Crist is giving away the franchise by moving too far to the middle.

Others say comparing Crist's wins to Bush's is the wrong standard, particularly given Bush's national name and his family's popularity in those years.

"The party needs to take a look at what happened in 2006, where you have Republicans who ran as centrists in Florida and in California who bucked the national anti-Republican tidal wave that swept a whole lot of Republicans out of office," said Todd Harris, a former and likely future aide to GOP presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain.

In California, GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger won an easy reelection after adopting a number of traditionally Democratic positions.

"I think some elements of the party need to take a more pragmatic approach to government to ensure that we can have a sustainable majority here in Florida," Harris said.

Close call on party chairman

Not everyone in the party, however, seems ready to acknowledge such a need. At a state party meeting two weeks ago, Crist nearly lost a vote to install his personal choice, Seminole County's Jim Greer, as chairman.

The party voting structure - each county is given three votes, regardless of its population - favors the smaller, more conservative Panhandle and North Florida counties. Some Republicans said the close vote was fomented by Bush supporters, who had hoped to keep in place a party leader loyal to him.

"That was a momentary scare for Charlie," Slade said.

But with that fight in the past, Crist's consolidation of the party apparatus will probably move forward, given the power inherent in the governor's office.

You "want to put your own stamp on the party, and there's also nothing controversial about that," Harris said. "It is the Charlie Crist party. He's the governor. He's the leader of the party."

Baxley said he backed Crist's choice for party chair for that reason. He also cited Theodore Roosevelt as a respectable model for Crist's anti-big business and pro-environmental stands - but laughed when reminded that Roosevelt ultimately felt disgusted by his own Republican Party and sought a return to the presidency as a progressive.

"I hope we don't eventually play that one out," he said.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:20 PM
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11. Very interesting!
Thanks so much for posting it.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:17 PM
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10. Of course you are.
But not for that reason.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:35 PM
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12. Crist actually signed the petition to have the marriage amendment placed on the ballot
He is just trying to play both sides of the issue.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:54 PM
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13. One name:
Foley.

eom
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:04 PM
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14. Former gov Bush was also against the constitutional amendment.
Same sex marriage is already illegal in FL, so the amendment makes no sense.

>snip<
Florida Currently Bans Same-Sex Marriage by Statute:

As Governor Bush has noted himself, the proposed amendment is completely
unnecessary to preserve “traditional” marriage in Florida. In 1997, the Florida legislature
enacted Florida Statute § 741.212, banning marriages between persons of the same sex. The
statute provides:

(1) Marriages between persons of the same sex entered into in any jurisdiction,
whether within or outside the State of Florida, the United States, or any other
jurisdiction, either domestic or foreign, or any other place or location, or
relationships between persons of the same sex which are treated as marriages
in any jurisdiction, whether within or outside the State of Florida, the United
States, or any other jurisdiction, either domestic or foreign, or any other place
or location, are not recognized for any purpose in this state.

(2) The state, its agencies, and its political subdivisions may not give effect to
any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any state, territory, possession,
or tribe of the United States or of any other jurisdiction, either domestic or
foreign, or any other place or location respecting either a marriage or
relationship not recognized under subsection (1) or a claim arising from such a
marriage or relationship.

(3) For purposes of interpreting any state statute or rule, the term “marriage”
means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and
wife, and the term "spouse" applies only to a member of such a union.
FLA. STAT. ANN. § 741.212 (2004).
>snip<
http://www.aclufl.org/issues/lesbian_gay_rights/DomesticPartnerBenefitsFINAL.pdf
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