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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:30 PM
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Blackwater Security, Bush's Private Waffen SS
http://counterpunch.com/roberts10162007.html

October 16, 2007

Blackwater Security, Bush's Private Waffen SS
The Iraqi Genocide
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Why has not the Turkish parliament given tit for tat and passed a resolution condemning the Iraqi Genocide?

As a result of Bush's invasion of Iraq, more than one million Iraqis have died, and several millions are displaced persons. The Iraqi death toll and the millions of uprooted Iraqis match the Armenian deaths and deportations. If one is a genocide, so is the other.

It is true that most of the Iraqi deaths have resulted from Iraqis killing one another. But it was Bush's destruction of the secular Iraqi state that unleashed the sectarian strife.

Moreover, American troops in Iraq have killed more civilians than insurgents. The US military in Iraq has fallen for every bit of disinformation fed to it by Al Qaeda personnel posing as "informants" and by Sunnis setting up Shi'ites and Shi'ites setting up Sunnis. As a result, American bombs and missiles have blown up weddings, funerals, kids playing soccer, and people shopping in bazaars and sleeping in their homes.

Not to be outdone, Bush's private Waffen SS known as Blackwater Security has taken to gunning Iraqi civilians down in the streets. How do Blackwater and Custer Battles killers escape the "unlawful combatant" designation?

One can only marvel at the insouciance of the US Congress to the current Iraqi Genocide while condemning Turkey for one that happened 90 years ago.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:39 PM
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1. This article is a bunch of horse manure, but to focus on one specific point...
It's not "unlawful combatant". It's "unlawful enemy combatant." Never mind that it's US-crafted garbage with no legitimate pedigree in international law but, how can Blackwater be declared an unlawful enemy combatant if it's under contract for the State Department? Who is it an enemy of? Not the US, which is the only power which designates people as unlawful enemy combatants to begin with.

I think rather little of the "private Waffen SS" line but whatever.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:04 PM
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2. PC Roberts has been publishing this kind of material for years. He hates Bush...more than you do.
Why does a so-called Dem attack ANYONE who is busy blistering Bush and his gangsters?

Quick answer: they made the dreaded NAZI REFERENCE.

You people are soooooo transparently out to smother this meme.

arendt
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:16 PM
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4. ....No, that is not why I replied to the original post. Not at all.
Maybe a lot of other people are that shallow, but I'm not. I replied because I have dealt with people raising hell over this "why aren't they treated as unlawful combatants!?" question over the last two days, and I am sick and tired of it, because the L.A. Times (which floated the idea to begin with) seems completely and brutally ignorant of the Geneva Conventions. (For one thing, the L.A. Times seems to think there's only one Geneva Convention...)

Are you familiar with the concept of two wrongs don't make a right? Unlawful combatant isn't a designation under international law. It's a designation the US created. And the US makes a point of calling the people it detains, unlawful ENEMY combatants... for good reason. You've never seen the US detain unlawful FRIENDLY combatants, have you? I haven't.

The original writer asked why they aren't treated "as unlawful combatants" and... I'm sorry to disappoint you but, there actually is an answer to that (intended to be rhetorical) question, as I have given it.

I've cut down my DU involvement a lot lately because I'm tired of people pushing the idea that I need to compromise my respect for international law and human rights in order to support Democrats.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:21 PM
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6. Your respect for international law? Blackwater is totally unaccountable, any you talk about I.L????
They are not accountable to anyone but Dick Cheney.

This is the most ridiculous excuse I have seen yet for defending Blackwater.

But its totally consistent with sophistry: the rules are more important than the reality of the situation.

If the Government of Iraq says they want these people out, and a good percentage of the U.S. military
(it seems), but they are only accountable to G.W. Bush, Inc., then how in holy hell are they "lawful
combatants" deserving of the protection of international law?

The whole point is that Blackwater is BEYOND THE LAW.

arendt
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:24 PM
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8. ...Sir, the point is that they are CIVILIANS. If they break the law they are CRIMINALS.
Enough of this unlawful combatant BS, it's just perpetuating the same logic behind Guantanamo abuses and Abu Ghraib. Two wrongs do not make a right. They are civilians, and they should be treated as such.

And that is all. I am so sick of this issue, I'll just hold my damned tongue next time.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:30 PM
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9. Can Iraq (or Anyone) Hold Blackwater Accountable for Killing Iraqi Civilians? A Debate on the Role o
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/18/140201

JEREMY SCAHILL: I mean, the reality here is that every time Iraq has made any kind of noise about prosecuting contractors, the contractors are whisked out. It becomes a major discussion between Washington and Baghdad diplomats. And the fact of the matter is, this is solid proof. There is no sovereignty in Iraq of the government at all. The US gutted out the Iraqi legal system, made it virtually impossible for Iraqis to hold accountable murderers and thugs inside of the country who are foreign operatives. And so, when the Bush administration talks about how great everything is going in Baghdad, we have to remember that when US mercenaries shoot Iraqis, the Iraqis are basically powerless to stop them.
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:01 PM
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12. They are HEAVILY ARMED MERCENARIES WHO SHOOT INNOCENTS, not mom going to the market.
The guilty soldiers should be disarmed and held by Iraq as P.O.W's. Its that simple.

Civilians? What are you smoking?

arendt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:17 PM
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5. I SHALL NOT BE SMOTHERED
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:07 PM
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3. Well if the Iran army is a terrorist group so are Bushco's
army and Blackwater.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:23 PM
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7. 31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm

31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush
by Edward Jayne
www.dissidentvoice.org
August 29, 2004
(revised from an earlier version posted March 29, 2003)






When President Bush decided to invade Iraq, his spokesmen began comparing Saddam Hussein to Adolph Hitler, the most monstrous figure in modern history. Everybody was therefore shocked when a high German bureaucrat turned the tables by comparing Bush himself with Hitler. As to be expected, she (the bureaucrat) was forced to resign because of her extreme disrespect for an American president. However, the resemblance sticks--there are too many similarities to be ignored, some of which may be listed here.

Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.


Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler’s case the Reichstag fire, in Bush’s case the 9-11 catastrophe.


Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations.


Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany’s military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup. Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other.


Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties). First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis. Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels.


Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle. As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political “base.”


Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation’s unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God. Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his “providential” role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world.


Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation’s hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations).


Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City. The same goes for U.S. domestic programs. Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets.


Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:39 PM
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10. K&R
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:49 PM
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11. "Other than the Israel Lobby, the greatest supporters of Bush's wars are Christian evangelicals"
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:07 PM
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13. If they do it over there, they'll do it at home.
Unlike returning soldiers, these turds aren't liable under the UCMJ. Thus, they can get away with murder. And nothing is there to stop them from murdering again. Especially George W Bush. And you know what these Waffen SS feel about Liberals and Democrats, those they consider "socialist." They are untermenschen and fit only for disposal. So, the crazy monkey and the sneering sociopath are sort of a culmination. Ja.



Allen Dulles, the NAZIs and the CIA

Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors."  Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.  -- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man.  He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life.  In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy."  They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis.  In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell." -- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift



The study of the past is beset by uncertainty.  Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual.  The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented.  But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few  semi-mythic narratives.  In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.

One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans.  Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.

We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same.  But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.

How do we begin to untangle this puzzle?  Perhaps it would help if we went back to the start.

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service.  He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another.  But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913.  The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual.  That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

Dulles entered the diplomatic service after college and served as a State Department delegate to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, which brought a formal end to World War I.  The Versailles Treaty which came out of this conference included a provision making it illegal to sell arms to Germany.  This displeased the powerful DuPont family, and they put pressure on the delegates to allow them to opt out.  It was Allen Dulles who finally gave them the assurances they wanted that their transactions with Germany would be "winked at."

Dulles remained a diplomat through the early 1920's, spending part of that time in Berlin.  However, he left government service in 1926 for the greener pastures of private business, becoming a Wall Street lawyer with the same firm as his older brother, John Foster Dulles.

By the middle 20's, Germany had started recovering from the effects of the war and its postwar economic collapse, and the great German industrial firms were looking like attractive investment opportunities for wealthy Americans.  W.A. Harriman & Co., formed in 1919 by Averell Harriman (son of railroad baron E.H. Hariman) and George Herbert Walker, had led the way in directing American money to German companies and had opened a Berlin branch as early as 1922, when Germany was still in chaos.  At that time, Averell Harriman traveled to Europe and made contact with the powerful Thyssen family of steel magnates.  It was to be a long-lasting and fateful partnership.

CONTINUED...

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html





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