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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:25 PM Original message |
Let's abolish the Electoral College |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. All for it |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, I forgot America isn't a democracy, that's what we impose on others |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm in! |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. We don't have democracy in the US, we just "bring it" to other countries. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Sort of like the pizza man, ehh? |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think it's past time |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. Doubling the size of the House of Representatives would help a lot. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Electoral College works. GOP Voter fraud and disenfranchisement is what failed the system |
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UGADUer (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. YES~! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'd love to |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. Impossible mission |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. I hate to say this... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. If that's where the people live |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. EVERY state deserves to be represented |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. No |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
38. WRONG! States are no longer represented in the Senate |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What about each PERSON being equally represented? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Because they're white people who vote for REPUBLICANS, silly! (NT) |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. I hate to say this, but your reasoning is based on false assumptions |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I thought they didn't announce who won what state until... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. They start announcing state results as soon as the polls have closed |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
62. A couple of issues... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Mathematically, that claim is nonsense. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. Definitely. nt |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. Can you imagine the recount battles if we had a nationwide vote? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. This is my argument against it... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It sort of works to unfairly elect conservatives |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I'm not sure I buy that... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. smaller states |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. the Senate is deliberately unbalanced... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Of course it's deliberate |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Same as we do now |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
70. There's a small problem with that... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. Great, do it! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Wait! Don't Do It! |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
22. Don't mess with the Constitution. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Sure |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
59. Do you REALLY want to believe that vague threats are an actual argument? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Then why not just scrap it and start over? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
27. I think it's a great idea, but right now we have more important things to do, |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
32. Go for it! |
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maine_raptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. Some "Fun Facts" about the EC: |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. agree. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Can you clarify "the disparity between rural and urban voter concentrations in our society" ? |
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Cronopio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. About electors not having to follow the results of the state's votes they are "bound" to ... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
34. It will never happen in our current political environment. |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
40. Great Idea |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. What about giving government to "we the people" and not to states? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. then you need to reform the USA |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. The real problem is not the EC itself |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. How could redistricting affect the Electoral College? |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. this is unrelated but.. |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Oh thank you |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
45. I agree, it is obsolete. nt |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
48. Abolishing the electoral college is useless without also restructuring the Senate. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
50. The EC and the Senate need to be democratized. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. what? please explain... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Actually, I think the only way to democratize the EC is to abolish it. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. but the states exist...if you want to remove states then that is one thing |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Do you consider the direct election of senators a bad thing? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. if we are to be a conferdation of states...then yes, direct election |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. I'm all for that only if New England get's to be its own country. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. Get rid of it We are not a democracy we are a Republic |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
57. The hell with minor reformism: let's go to a parliamentary system where |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
61. Divide the country into five regions and elect five presidents. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. On the surface, that idea doesn't sound so bad. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
64. at the least |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. California tried to get that passed. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. well, yeah |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'm just the messenger |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
71. Wouldn't removing the Cap on the number of MC's fix that? |
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