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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:35 PM
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What will it mean for the US to become a cashless society?
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 10:36 PM by Skip Intro
The world, for that matter.

You know its coming. It might already exist somewhere else on earth, which would be as embarrassing to me as fascinating, but it seems inevitable, doesn't it? I mean, eventually, we'll all have direct deposit of our wages or other income, and we'll use a card, maybe the card, maybe one of a few, and it will all be virtual. Every transaction. Physical money will cease to be valid. That is inevitable, isn't it?

I wonder what kinds of changes that will bring about. Big Brother's greatest tool? A tracking of every citizen's purchases, movements eventually? A more smoothly run society? A little of both? A UPC branding tattoo on each of us eventually? Not a thing in the world to worry about?

What would be overall effect, the natural progression, and the eventual outcome?





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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:36 PM
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1. Debit cards rule
No need to carry cash.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:37 PM
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2. well the rapture meter on Rapture Ready will explode...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:43 PM
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5. I'm sure they'll find a way to take credit card donations right up till the end.
:rofl:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:43 PM
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3. And Here I Thought It Meant Penniless
considering the state of the economy and the dollar's decline....
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:43 PM
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4. Go find the Max Headroom episode that showed what happens in a cashless society.
You get chosen to stop existing, and you're done.

Edison Carter had his credit rating zeroed, which meant he couldn't buy anything, his landlord locked him out, etc.

If you have no method of trade thanks to a cashless transaction system, you starve to death, outdoors.

You can't barter items you can't get to because they've been seized. You can't mooch off of your family because your family will just have its credit zeroed.

Rinse, repeat.

The aid to business is not worth the potential abuse.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:46 PM
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6. how do i buy weed?
:shrug:
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:02 PM
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16. PayPal mobile
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:57 AM
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30. and paypal gets a cut...? thank-you, no.
besides- no dealer in their right mind is going to accept a form of payment that leaves an obvious trail.

a cashless society would create a lot of problems for a lot of people- for instance, people who work in the service industry(which seems to be the future of much of the american workforce) and count on cash tips as a big part of their income(much of which is ultimately shielded from being taxed) would be particularly hard hit.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:48 PM
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7. The dollar is worthless or will be soon with Booosh at the controls of the economy nt
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:52 PM
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8. Don't get your hopes up, without oil, no plastic no cards or income. If you can't weld or fight,
you'll starve. It's going to be a mad max world in about 5 yrs.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:52 PM
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9. cash is my friend
no records, no tracking, small bills only please. Yes, I have a debit card, but I use it only for specific purposes.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:53 PM
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10. A world of call boys and call girls and bad, naughty judges and lawyers. nt
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:55 PM
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11. No difference economically,
nothing backs our currency now except the ability of the Federal government to tax labor income at 100%

Tracking can be done by several different methods, cell phones, credit cards, on star, take your pick.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:59 PM
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12. I've already decided I won't be getting the national ID card.
Too fascist. I just can't do it. I guess I'll have to barter for goods on Craig's List, or grow my own food, or scavange for berries and and educate myself on what species of mushrooms growing in my neighborhood are edible. A cashless society has always intrigued me, but I'm not talking about electronic funds or Hal Lindsey's Revelations scenario of the end times where we are implanted with RFID's and swear an oath to yet another anti-Christ in order to be able to be allowed to function in society. The money circulated by the Feds is an illusion easily shattered, since it is not worth the paper it's printed on. I'm talking about the good, old-fashioned trading and bartering for goods and services amongst people within their own communities. Maybe the post-apocalyptic revolution I've been preparing for since I was a child will never come, having already become a long gone relic of cold-war paranoia, but I'm still convinced that someday soon, we will need to know how to survive by learning to fly under some despotic government's radar.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:53 AM
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29. You won't last long without one.
Cannot get a job, cannot travel, arrested if stopped by a cop, etc.
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papercut Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:00 PM
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13. Sheer misery for numismatists.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:23 PM
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17. True...
but think of how much your collections will be worth...relics of a bygone era.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:02 PM
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14. Dear God, I hope I never become delusional enough to think I'm important enough for the government
to track me.
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:02 PM
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15. I'm still waiting for the paperless office n/t
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:48 PM
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20. will never happen as long as there are lawyers
when Hubby had to work on the same floor as the company lawyers, he could not believe how much Paperwork they had... stack of files on the floors, so that he had to thread a trail through them... (wonder how many are now in jail?)

oh, shall I mention that was at WorldCom...
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:51 PM
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23. So am I. I think flying cars will beat the paperless office.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:32 PM
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18. While you were sleeping, it's already happened.
Except for individuals or small groups, here and there, which we will always have, it's pretty much a done deal, right now.
Mostly, people won't/didn't feel a thing.

"Cash" is merely promissory notes, pieces of material that guarantee some level of acceptance by anyone you are likely to interact with. What is "cash?"
There is little of durable content that can qualify as a medium of exchange with actual, intrinsic value. Most material of intrinsic value is consumable or deteriorates rather rapidly.
Paper money is nothing more than checks, drawn on the banking system. Coins the same.
Even gold or silver has little intrinsic value, only being valuable to the extent that someone wants it.
Dollars and coins merely signify a certain number of "units" that you have available to transfer, just like credit cards.
Welcome to the cashless society.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:44 PM
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19. It means w's lackeys can bankrupt you with one click of a mouse.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:48 PM
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21. It means that EVERY purchase gets tracked
Cash provides a little anonymity.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:50 PM
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22. Every move you make is available. Debit cards suck.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:59 PM
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24. Anyone else remember when we were gonna have paperless offices? eom
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aroach Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:12 AM
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25. Take all the joy out of childhood
This morning there was pure joy in my child's life to find the five dollar bill that the tooth fairy left under her pillow. I don't know how that would have happened in a cashless society.

I say that as a cashless family. My husband had to sneak out in the dead of the night to get cash from an ATM and then go buy some silly thing to break the twenty. But it was worth his loss of sleep for the tooth fairy to make that visit.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:21 AM
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26. Fewer cashiers and quicker check-out lines.
That's about it.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:45 AM
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27. As long as there is organized crime, there will be cash,
or a reasonable facimile thereof. And as long as there is cash, there will be organized crime.

Organized crime depends on untrackable wealth. Items will always have value. If your piece of plastic can buy a car or buy a big diamond, then the diamond can buy the car.

We will never have a cashless society.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:52 AM
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28. I had been cashless for about 7 years.
Just hated to carry it around, change especially. CC, CC and more CC.
Though very rarely when I am to visit my favorite cash only food join, I am reluctantly getting a $20 from an ATM
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:18 AM
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33. same here...ever since my first check card
i only carry cash if someone's paid me back for something.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:08 AM
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31. Become communists?
No one owns anything and everything is shared? I'm not talking about Soviet style or Mao style communism, but monastery style communism.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 11:16 AM
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32. the overthrow of capitialism would be a good start
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:04 PM
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34. kick
:kick:
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