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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:32 AM Original message |
Should a single payer healthcare plan cover nursing home and/or assisted living? |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. Certainly. I can't imagine why any medically-necessary care would be denied. nt |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. I would hope so and fight for it. nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. Home care and hospice care, too. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Isn't hospice care always covered? I think the typical problem |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, absolutely! My parents are going through this nightmare now. |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. absolutely agree |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I agree that one spouse shouldn't be left with no assets because the first |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
43. i agree. nt |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
51. That's really what it's about. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. I was wondering how they do it in Europe. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
109. I agree. We save in order to take care of ourselves and our dependents. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #109 |
126. OK, so at what point would a senior quality for free or subsidized care? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. This is not "long term insurance" |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
49. Look into buying long term care insurance everyone |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. good luck buying long term care insurance |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. They can now go back 5 years, to look for "gifts. :^( |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
80. my husband's sister just got dumped into a nursing home |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
188. My Mom has alzheimers, but is still ok, and a friend warned me that we can all |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. I don't think that costs that are basic living costs -- as opposed to medically |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. There should then be coverage for such care in one's own home. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. I think there are policies that provide for those services. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
122. The two of you don't understand |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #122 |
162. Then Medicaid takes over. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Pay attention |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
187. You seem to be thinking of those who have families. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Absolutely. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. My mother in law is living in an assisted living facility, |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. My mom is in a facility primarily for health care reasons. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. It's not assisted living if she's just getting meals |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. She pays a basic monthly cost to live in the assisted-living facility -- which |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
129. But what if the "basic costs" are higher at the ALF than they were at home? |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. OK, we're not talking about leaving something for your kids, here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
127. Some people are clearly talking about that, and that's where I disagree. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
138. I appreciate your efforts to explain, but we're going to have to agree to disagree |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #138 |
145. I've been against that evil war since the first murmurings post 9/11. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #145 |
176. We have lost our way as a people |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
153. Another example - my aunt is moving into assisted care soon because |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. Absolutely |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
12. I guess the conflict with me is that assisted living isn't always a medical issue, but when it is... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. I agree -- the issue isn't clear cut at all. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. When the beneficiaries are required to be co-located with the caregivers ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #32 |
61. But subsidized for all? Without regard to assets or income? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Of course not. As noted in my first reply (#3) to which you responded, I support a copay ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I doubt that that many adult children leave their own independent lives |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Let's TRY hard to not assume that such a facility is THE END OF THE LINE. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
124. I know two such facilities well, one more assisted living, |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
155. The younger generation is paying for it now. The difference is |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
13. That's why many people cede their property |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. I wouldn't allow my mother to do that for my sake. |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. This is done as last resort care. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Medicaid doesn't require people to give up their homes, does it? |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. These people are all general taxpayers. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Why should one class of taxpayers, heirs of people who die with paid-up homes, |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
131. Because the costs of long term care exceed the value of the house |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #131 |
171. Because people with dementia don't want to sell their house |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Because it's hard to sell a house in a bad market |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
83. not a matter of "could" go after home, they already do |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
125. I don't think all states are consistent about this. n/t |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. All states do this |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
15. Have been wondering the same thing |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
17. Clarification: I am specifically referring to a nursing home, not a Skilled Nursing Facility which |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
18. Of course it should. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
21. My aunt suffered from Alzheimers and was in a nursing home |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. The cost threatens to "break the bank" as baby boomers age. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Yesterday on one of the morning shows there was |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #44 |
64. I'm afraid you're right. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
133. I'm one of those people with no savings |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
82. Ever hear of the "sandwich generation?" |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
158. Not to mention trying to save for retirement while still paying off a mortgage! |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #158 |
174. You'll be paid up just in time to hand it over to the for-profit elder care facility |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #158 |
175. You'll be paid up just in time to hand it over to the for-profit elder care facility |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
169. prepare ourselves? how? cyanide pills? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. I was preparing myself. Then my mom got Alzheimer's |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. Yes, the cost is equivalent to buying a house |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
23. Unfortunately, we are at a state of medical technology |
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NNguyenMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I was just thinking that the thousands of dollars a month it costs to put someone in a nursing home |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I know someone who was able to do that for her mother, because her mother |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
136. Only a few states do that |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
47. Average stay in nursing homes is under two years. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
179. Very misleading |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #179 |
197. Oh I agree. |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
30. yes |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
34. How do the Yurpeens handle this issue? Anyone know? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
35. Absolutely |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Oh really? We would essentially be creating a giant new welfare class, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You will never get it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. You don't get it. During the lifetime of the baby boomers, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
103. We already paid our retirement |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
91. Right on! And if you think for one minute that the 1% |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Why are you even here? |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I'm considering getting long-term care insurance for my wife and myself |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. It's more than that |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. But universal health care wouldn't mean universal living costs for |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. Did I say that? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
142. You just don't get it. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Do not expect that to cover anywhere near the full cost of care |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. The plans vary, and so do the costs, terms, and benefits, |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
144. It's not just just |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. We're doing that. Some of the people who think they can't afford it |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
159. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you stop paying for that policy in |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Thank you for your posts. For too many, this is an issue about INHERITANCE, not care for seniors... |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:12 PM Original message |
The better idea would be that we are forced to give up the idea |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
101. Tell it to Hillary. According to her, for profit health care providers "are people too" |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
77. For me, it's a simple formula |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Thanks are due to you and sandnsea |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. You go, LLIT! |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Hey lappi |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Agree 100% |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
95. You forgot demographic sustainability in your simple formula... |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Oh bullshit |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. And which of the "free trade"/ laissez faire Democrats are proposing ANY of those things? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. That wasn't what was asked by the OP |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. You make an excellent point. Truly universal care must be the goal. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Yes, we do agree on universal healthcare |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Cut the defense budget in half |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately, you and I both know that this is politically unfeasible. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. They told us the same thing |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Yes, it's *possible* Medicare/SS will still be around, but **not with the current tax structure** |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. It is not a welfare program |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Of course it's a welfare program, or else it would pay for itself... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. FICA funds the federal budget |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
165. I'm well aware that FICA is being diverted to the general fund |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. It hasn't decreased for the wealthy - WAKE UP |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. I'm not advocating economic injustice--merely pointing it out. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #110 |
147. You're pointing out things that aren't true |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
118. I think it can be done quite simply |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. OK, I agree, but what's stopping us from making these changes? |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Too few people , too little anger |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
132. But there used to be a lot more younger workers for every recipient |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. In 34 years, we'll be dead |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. It WAS funded till 2041 -- but I understand that Bush has raided the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. Get the money back from the rich |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Thanks to the war, our whole economy is teetering on the brink, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #152 |
160. You can't control life |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. You're right, I am trying to be personally responsible |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. You're trying to bargain your way out of catastrophe |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #170 |
180. And your solution? To "demand" whatever you want? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. No, the solution is a single payer, universal health care system |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #137 |
167. In the long run, we'll ALL be dead |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. Yeah, and we're a lot fatter and sicker |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #132 |
161. There used to be a lot more farmers for every person, too! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. That analogy doesn't work for me. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. You're thinking in terms of money. Money is only a representation of |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. But when a greater and greater part of the population will be |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Wrong |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #132 |
191. Here's the ratio of workers to OASDI beneficiaries for the last 30 years ... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 04:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
193. There would be co-pays, of course. n/t |
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Ayesha (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:38 AM Response to Original message |
40. No |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. No, that shouldn't have to happen. What a waste. n/t |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
148. That's what you're advocating |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. No, I'm not. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #154 |
163. I know what you said |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
89. Except that some elderly can turn abusive in their old age |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
94. Ideally a person would receive in home care, |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
41. Yes |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
45. yes on nursing homes, partially on assisted living. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
50. Absolutely YES! Long term care and disability care |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. So you think all Social Security workers should pay higher taxes |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. The country club set will always |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
130. It is not a zero sum argument, it is an argument about generational equity. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #130 |
139. Oh, so this is really about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. I don't understand where you're getting that at all. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #143 |
150. That's the whole point of LTC |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #150 |
156. You twist everything I say and then |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #156 |
173. Now, we're getting somewhere |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #173 |
184. Not only not productive and not helpful, It's also not true |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:28 AM Response to Reply #184 |
194. Sadly, there's another alternative that nobody wants to talk about |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
92. No, I think we should stop waging illegal wars of choice |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
84. do not confuse MEDICARE with MEDICAID |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. That's what I mean |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Medicaid does |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
59. yes just how Europe and Canada does it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #59 |
69. How do they do it? n/t |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
62. I believe we need to start once again to value the role of the |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. One thing that makes that harder is how far-flung many families are. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Good luck with that pipe dream |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Which is why we need to reclaim our rights as workers |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Agreed. But that's one tall order. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
71. Yes, because families need help with this. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
96. Bless you Cleita |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
119. NO compassionate nation would allow people like you to suffer in that way! |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
74. of course n/t |
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spinbaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
78. I read once that in China... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
88. Hell yes. nt |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
102. This is why I reserve the right to take myself out at any time |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. We need assisted suicide clinics. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. I know a few people for whom gift certificates are in order! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
117. I think the alternative is relegating them to an ice floe... and they're becoming more rare, too. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
149. Well, there's always nursing home medicaid. But then you have to be poor to use it. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
151. Absolutely; anything else is a "Life Tax" |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
157. don't know how much residental care is...dialysis _is_ $23K per month! |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. We have been impoverished |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. I'm on the way to impoverishment |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
189. The cheapest plan is to cover everybody for everything... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Yes, Some people don't realize that these people need treatment, insured or not |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
192. Of course . .. . in the long run we profit as a nation . . . |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
195. A humane, compassionate country would care for people who |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Yes, you can be assured |
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