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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:21 AM
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Senators Clash With Nominee About Torture ....Reject Nomination
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 07:25 AM by spanone
What does America Stand For? So our New Nominee Also Believes in Torture?

Why not invite Gonzales back?

~snip~ WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 — President Bush’s nominee for attorney general, Michael B. Mukasey, declined Thursday to say if he considered harsh interrogation techniques like waterboarding, which simulates drowning, to constitute torture or to be illegal if used on terrorism suspects.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/washington/19mukasey.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:25 AM
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1. If he truly believes waterboarding is not torture
then he should allow himself to be waterboarded by the Senate committee to get honest answers out of him.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:25 AM
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2. they should NOT confirm imo
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:27 AM
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6. If they got honest answers, there's no way he'd be confirmed.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 08:01 AM
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15. He also believes laws do not apply to the President when he claims Comander in Chief authority n/t
n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:26 AM
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3. They won't "reject nomination" at all.
He'll get all the Republican and the majority of Democratic support.
Not saying that's right, just saying that's what'll happen...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:27 AM
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7. if the democrats vote him in - complicity with torture
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:26 AM
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4. Wow. I just read on crooksandliars.com that he viewed American
torture techniques to be Nazi-esque. I guess he has a narrow view of what constitutes "torture." :eyes:
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:31 AM
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9. Nazi-esque? What else can one expect when Nazis are in power?
That they are fascists is beyond doubt. They act like nazis when they can get away with it.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 08:02 AM
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16. And they can get away with it.
It's shameful.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:27 AM
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5. Yep. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place
alright, because the current Acting AG, Peter Keisler, doesn't just decline to answer, he vehemently supports torture and was involved with formulating that policy.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:30 AM
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8. the choice is between someone who believes in torture or someone who REALLY believes in torture.
fuck
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:39 AM
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13. Yes. Because if they decline to let Mukasey out of
Committee, Keisler stays for god knows how long, and destroys god knows what evidence at Justice. One thing we know for certain is that Keisler is the insider's insider when it comes to the BFEE.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:31 AM
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10. He declined to say? He DECLINED?
Well, fuck you sir. You don't get to "decline". I mean, deciding what is legal and what is not, especially when it comes to things like TORTURING PEOPLE, is kind of important for someone nominated to that position, don't ya think?

Why the hell are we putting up with nonsense? Why is there any doubt about this? You don't know whether torture is illegal and we are still talking about you? This should be an automatic /fail, shouldn't it?

Where has my country gone?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:34 AM
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11. does not matter to democrats apparently
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20675.html

<Despite his wrangling with Democrats, Mukasey is expected to be confirmed by the end of the month.>

:grr:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:37 AM
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12. you're right lc....they obviously don't give a shit. torture on.....
after all we (democrats) don't want to be seen as 'soft on terrorism'....boy that bullshit is way too old
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:44 AM
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14. from the washington post
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 07:52 AM by spanone
how in the hell can the democrats confirm him???? do they stand for ANYFUCKINGTHING?


<snip> President Bush's choice for attorney general, Michael B. Mukasey, embraced some of the administration's most controversial legal positions yesterday, suggesting that Bush can ignore surveillance statutes in wartime and avoiding a declaration that simulated drowning constitutes torture under U.S. laws.

Mukasey struck a different tone on the second and final day of his confirmation hearing, after earlier pleasing lawmakers from both parties by promising new administrative policies at the Justice Department and by declaring that the president cannot override constitutional and legal bans on torture and the inhumane treatment of prisoners.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101801120.html?hpid=topnews

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