Ok folks here is the problem

Stark called it as it is... the Emperor has no clothes

And we have the feeding frenzy as to how wrong he is\was

Folks this is essentially the problem

The other side gets away with anything

But our people are told to be meek

NOW THINK

How do you thik that plays wiht the voters?

Think of GOP strong

DEM Weak

This is why he has to stick to his guns

And if the party censures him

They once again, let the other side frame the debate.

K&R

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censure him, that is.

I don't advocate the use of strong language for the hell of it-

But Rep. Stark spoke very directly to what IS wrong with this country and who holds the power.

It wasn't a character assisination.

And he has nothing to apologize for.

Didn't rove or cheney say something like "the Democrats want to offer the terrorists therapy"? or something like that???

Kind of hits on your point very well-
:hi:
peace~

I do NOT want him to apologize! He is absolutely right, and the Dems who want him to apologize should be ashamed of themselvs.

Then they should just STFU.

They seem to have this pathological NEED to criticize other Dems who ARE taking stands in order to look "non-confrontational".

Some Dems are more afraid of Faux News than they are of their own constituents.

If some of the Democrats in Congress don't agree with what Stark said, then they are welcome to call their own press conference and say what they do believe. It's none of their business what Stark said.

k n r for reals.

we'll be seeing campaign commercials run by the goppers showing Dems talking about how bad Dems are.

It beats the hell out of me why we have become so proficient at shooting ourselves in the foot.

also means the proverbial shotgun... to shoot foot off

:-)

"I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best,” said Stark. “But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care." Pete Stark

:-)

And went hunting for chickenhawks

I wonder if they are so pissed over the presnit comment or the chickenhawk comment?

so remind the Christian Right the the "The Meek Shall Inherit The Earth" ..... bet you get a weird stare. Doesn't mean we as the meek should STFU .... no way! Carry on. Peace. :thumbsup:

very important distinction that is now lost on all but a few...

Stark is now leading the way! :patriot:

He better not.

if ye get me drift

I'd rather be called a bully when telling the truth than called meek for not standing up for the truth.

Bravo to your posts. It's the kind of open speak that is needed. And it's uncomfortable for people of both political bents. But necessary.

He told the fucking truth, and if the GOP doesn't like it, they can suck it.

If Congress censures him, Stark should stand proudly when he receives the censure letter and show it off like a trophy.

Nothing but defiance for the fucks!

Our "leaders" are unwilling to take a definite stand on anything, unwilling for force any issue. They are unwilling to stand up and speak, much less act. In just the last two days, Dodd went from "who?" in my mind, to a front runner. Why? because he DID SOMETHING. I've never heard of Stark before yesterday. But I want to buy him a beer. Hell, a lifetime supply of beer. Not because of what he said, but just the fact he said it, and that he's not crawling to lick someone's shoes in apology for it.

I'm tired of watching triangulation and apology. I'm tired of watching our candidates carry the water for Republicans for fear of alienating someone. They want to call it bipartisanship, but does America really need bipartisan governance when one of the parties is a proven enemy to the American people?

How long do they think America will be content to watch?

Callouses and rolled up sleeves are IN. No more mincing words. Say what ya mean. Stand up to bullies, ALWAYS.

That is how to get things turned around.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Cloud-Cuckoo-Land.

.. How the hell can they stand up to Osama & the Terrists?"

DING, DING, DING, DING

They're doing it again.

This little flap would vanish into thin air and people would be falling all over each other to fund anything he likes, if he'd just stop breaking omerta.

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but will anybody join him? I mean Kucinich has had poor luck with Darth Va... er I mean Chenney

brilliantly pissing off the Turks AND the Armenians in one fell swoop of sidebar weakness and weird miscalculation. Had there been any clever sense to that brave bill speaking out in behalf of injustice with the victims beyond help since 1915 it was lost in surrender to Bush's inane but easy counterpoint. A softball gift worthy of any DC press lapdog.

SO it might do well for the assumed leadership of the Congress to stick to their mirrors for a while before criticizing someone who is relevant and sticks to his guns and only pisses off jerks who are incapable of voting Democratic. Just who do the professional party leaders represent? What do the represent? What is their duty? Where do their signatory passions lie besides their flower gardens and outrageously simple child care bills that they cannot move their "respected colleagues" on for a single inch of compromise?

Stark's moderation is to be noted in not aiming his stark comments at the Dem House leadership itself.

you need to work on your framing. Your knowledge of English is poor. Sorry, but it's the truth.

rhetoric. At least as long as it fits into the world view they hold.

it's when they're written virtually undecipherable and unintelligible. Generalizations aren't de facto untrue, nor unwise per se, but if you look @ the past, it has inevitably led to much needless confusion and unpleasantness in human society.
My rip is w/ the OP, not you cali.

"needless confusion and unpleasantness"?

Oh I don't think anyone's confused.

what part of GOP Strong

DEM= MEEK (if he is forced to apologize) is unclear to you?

By the way... it seems it is YOU and only YOU who had a problem with the frame.

...the OBVIOUS? Money? Is that IT?

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What Stark said is the truth, and the Republicans want us to condemn people who speak the truth because the truth does not reflect well on Republicans.

K&R

slinking off with their tails tucked between their legs like they just pissed on the carpet. That's how every loss and compromised semi-victory is framed by the MSM. Dems have to toughen up and speak out and stop thinking that the RePukes will EVER work WITH them.

To this point, although frustrated and angry at times, I've refrained from negative comments about Pelosi and Reid ... however, they will lose any remaining confidence I have if they continue down this path of impotence.

We democrats need to use our teeth more often. the whimpering/pandering to the obtuse right has got to stop. I am sick of it and it needs to stop. the GOP gets away with it constantly. they also cry the loudest when they get it shoveled back at them. I tell ya. the toughest people I know are Dem's, however they are also the more polite.

Democratic Speaker in Name Only: criticizes Stark - see Will Pitt's partial (and wonderfu) listing of this stuff by Goopers, that Nancy probably shut up about!

:bounce:

She's a fucking wimp!

Stark just told it like it was and still is.

Instead of thinking about censuring Stark for saying what an overwhelming majority of Americans think, why not IMPEACH Darth and his puppet, Bush for crimes against humanity and the Constitution?:rant:

For speaking the truth.

It's about damn time.

I especially liked her comment about how people in their private conversations say things a helluva lot stronger than Stark said. I have been a witness to that FACT.:)

this is just the beginning of the war for independence; american insurrection against corporate occupation; the best way to regain momentum is to decapitalize the monopolists (monarchs) with a boycott of a boycott-vulnerable company like coca-cola; see karmabanque.com

and inform them if they back Pete Stark we'll send a contribution, and if they condemn Pete Stark in any way, we will work to find primary challengers, and support anyone who faces them in a primary.
It's always about the money.
And this goes for any Democrat who speaks the truth and is told to apologize by the whimps in the Democratic leadership.

also it would be great if more brave Congresspeople could make strong, controversial statements in order to draw attention away from Stark himself and focus more on the issues he was addressing.

:applause:

Yip, the red bear's ears point UP; the blue, laid DOWN. Red looks FRONT, eye contact; blue, DEFERS to red. And on and on.

Thank him for what he said. Please call him and encourage him!!! Call Nancy and denounce her!

post his tel. no. and email and I am sure there will be many more messages. I will Goggle his web page.

Hell of a democracy, ain't it?

Whining is pointless.

You've hit the nail on the head. So why can't the Democrats understand this simple concept?

AP
Pelosi Rebukes Stark For Iraq Comments. Nance is a bigger disgrace to the Democrats than Bush is to the Republicans

All the admonishments from the corporatist dems
only prove that there IS no other side.
Stark spoke the truth and the democratic reactions
from the PEE-losy camp only illustrate how
truly fucked we are.
There is NO democratic majority when Nanceee
sides with neocons in reaction to the
voice of the people which Stark had the courage
to express.
BHN