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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:14 PM
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"Today no other country on earth is arguably more dangerous than Pakistan."

Where the Jihad Lives Now

Islamic militants have spread beyond their tribal bases, and have the run of an unstable, nuclear-armed nation.

By Ron Moreau
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 4:08 PM ET Oct 20, 2007

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Today no other country on earth is arguably more dangerous than Pakistan. It has everything Osama bin Laden could ask for: political instability, a trusted network of radical Islamists, an abundance of angry young anti-Western recruits, secluded training areas, access to state-of-the-art electronic technology, regular air service to the West and security services that don't always do what they're supposed to do. (Unlike in Iraq or Afghanistan, there also aren't thousands of American troops hunting down would-be terrorists.) Then there's the country's large and growing nuclear program. "If you were to look around the world for where Al Qaeda is going to find its bomb, it's right in their backyard," says Bruce Riedel, the former senior director for South Asia on the National Security Council.

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Militancy is woven into the fabric of Pakistani society. At independence in 1947, the country's whisky-swilling founder, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, used Islam to forge a sense of national identity. Since then the various military dictators who have periodically ruled the country have found jihad to be a convenient means of distracting their citizens and furthering their foreign-policy aims. Gen. Zia ul-Haq turned Pakistan into a base for the mujahedin waging war on the Soviets in Afghanistan—and won billions in American aid in the process. In the 1990s, after the Soviet defeat, generals like Musharraf dispatched thousands of those fighters to wage a guerrilla campaign in Kashmir. Many trained across the border in Afghanistan, in the same camps that Al Qaeda had set up under the Taliban.

After 9/11 Musharraf promised Washington that he would cut off support for such groups, including the Taliban. Early on, he authorized the arrests of several top Qaeda leaders in Pakistani cities, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and Abu Zubaydah, a top Qaeda organizer. But Musharraf's efforts have always been somewhat halfhearted, constrained by the deep sympathies that many of his countrymen have for jihadists. For decades Pakistanis were taught that the guerrillas were Muslim heroes, fighting for national honor and security. Such loyalties cannot be turned off like a tap. Several of the militants' onetime spymasters, both inside and outside the government, maintain links to their former charges. The security services will go after certain figures—particularly foreign Qaeda fighters—but ask others simply to lie low. Many officials—even many ordinary citizens—still think the jihadists should be preserved for future use as a strategic weapon, especially against India, long after America's War on Terror is over.

The safe haven provided by Pakistan has already had dire effects on U.S. and NATO efforts to fight the resurgent Taliban next door in Afghanistan. Taliban fighters now pretty much come and go as they please inside Pakistan. Their sick and injured get patched up in private hospitals there. Guns and supplies are readily available, and in the winter, when fighting traditionally dies down in Afghanistan, thousands retire to the country's thriving madrassas to study the Qur'an. Some of the brainier operatives attend courses in computer technology, video production and even English. Far from keeping a low profile, the visiting fighters attend services at local mosques, where after prayers they speak to the congregation, soliciting donations to support the war against the West. "Pakistan is like your shoulder that supports your RPG," Taliban commander Mullah Momin Ahmed told NEWSWEEK, barely a month before a U.S. airstrike killed him last September in Afghanistan's eastern Ghazni province. "Without it you couldn't fight. Thank God Pakistan is not against us."

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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:16 PM
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1. Best Doe-Eyed Repubiclan Impression
So

Um

Does this mean like, the leader, like is um - not right?

Like, um does this mean um, that like Ira - is it Iran or Iraq) is like not the biggest threat?


Um - I have to go shopping now at the mall.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:19 PM
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2. Um, what about the US?
As long as the Bushies are still in DC, we're pretty goddamned dangerous. And not in a good way.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:04 PM
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3. Yes, but the Whole World is ON TO US
Don't for a moment think they aren't.

Everyone is simply looking for a way to make their play. Do they actively work against us (as Russia seems to have decided)? Or do they simply have a schadenfruede fest on our demise as the great hegemon (as the Germans seem to have decided)?
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:06 PM
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4. Show of hands, class...
Who can name every country that has invaded another sovereign nation in the last 10 years? Anybody?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:36 PM
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7. The USA and Israel come to mind, but I think there a couple minor players too.
Not sure about how the mess in the Balkans fits in too.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:29 PM
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5. 'Sir, I think the Chinese have kidnapped Major Houlihan'
"I see. So, naturally, you shot Captain Hunnicutt."





Sherman T. Potter for president!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:34 PM
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6. Amid Pakistan carnage, a 'nightmare scenario' for U.S. policy

Amid Pakistan carnage, a 'nightmare scenario' for U.S. policy

By David E. Sanger and David Rohde
Published: October 21, 2007

WASHINGTON: The recent scenes of carnage in Pakistan conjured what one senior administration official called "the nightmare scenario" for President George W. Bush's last 15 months in office: political meltdown in the one country where Al Qaeda, the Taliban and nuclear weapons are all in play.

White House officials insisted in interviews that they had confidence that their longtime ally, General Pervez Musharraf, would maintain enough control to keep the country stable as he edged toward a power-sharing agreement with his main rival, Benazir Bhutto.

But other current and former officials cautioned that six years after the United States forced Musharraf to choose sides in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, American leverage over Pakistan is now limited. Although Musharraf seems likely to survive a multifront challenge to his authority, he is weakened.

His effort at conciliation in Pakistan's tribal areas, where Al Qaeda and the Taliban plot and train, proved a failure. His efforts to take them on militarily have so far proved ineffective and politically costly. Almost every major terror attack since Sept. 11 has been traced back to Pakistani territory, leading many who work in intelligence to believe that Pakistan, not Iraq, is the place Bush should consider the "central front" in the battle against terrorism.

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Rice calls Bhutto over Pakistan bomb blasts

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KARACHI (AFP) - US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned Benazir Bhutto on Sunday to condemn last week's suicide bombings that targeted the former Pakistan premier, her party said.

Rice "expressed sympathy over the loss of innocent lives" in the bombings during Bhutto's homecoming parade that killed 139 people, her Pakistan People's Party said in a statement.

"Ms Rice said that she was heartened that Benazir Bhutto escaped the assassination attempt," the statement said.

Rice condemned the attack and expressed her sympathies to the families of the victims, it said.

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The Bush admin's idea of diplomacy and a policy!

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:38 PM
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8. It's just like Iran a few decades back.
Iraq is like Vietnam, Pakistan is going to be like Iran. Who knew these weasels could fuck it up twice twice?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:50 PM
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9. Israel is just as dangerous.
Israel attacked Syria with the help of the US Regime.
If Israel attacks Iran the US will surely back that, as well.
Iraq & Afghanistan have been Fiasco's.
A War with Iran will bring a Catastrophic Bloodbath & Economic Disaster for the USA.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:56 PM
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10. Israel is a dinky little country that can't do shit without US consent.
I am not at all inclined to defend the loons running Israel right now, but these "Israel is Godzilla" theories give me a pain. Israel just got it's ass handed to it in Lebanon last year. They are in the position now of making fake raids on Syrian "nuclear facilities" to maintain credibility, or "deterrence" as they put it. The US is pretty much running a giant bluff too, at this point, and the bluff is being called.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:57 PM
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11. Pakistan is not going to be like Iran.
Pakistan is already a nuclear power. AQ Khan.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:59 PM
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12. Yeah, well, no analogy is perfect. So Pakistan is going to be worse than Iran. nt
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