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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:15 PM
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Mydd re:Zogby poll (50% would never vote for Clinton, 49% would never vote for Kucinich, etc)
Is Clinton Actually Unelectable? Not So Much...
by Jonathan Singer, Mon Oct 22, 2007 at 12:29:14 PM EST

Zogby International is out with a new poll that has received quite a bit of linkage recently. According to this internet survey, 50 percent of respondents indicated that they would never vote for Hillary Clinton, 5 points higher than any other serious candidate from either side of the aisle. So does this mean that Clinton is unelectable? Ah, not so fast.

It's important to begin a discussion of this poll by thinking back to April, when Zogby released a poll commissioned by Clinton-haters purporting to show that Americans are concerned with corruption linked to the Clintons. As I showed then, Zogby was more than willing to go even beyond the Clinton-haters in drafting unbalanced and biased questions to achieve his end (one question began, "Some people believe that the Bill Clinton administration was corrupt," a statement that almost begs a certain result), indicating a surprising disregard for the truth and perhaps even some deep seated feelings towards the Clintons.

Not only have serious questions been raised about Zogby in relation to the Clintons -- as well as his allegedly improper techniques and his certainly incorrect prediction in 2004 -- but in the past Zogby's internet polling has been reliably unreliable. To give just a few examples from Zogby's final internet polling for the Wall Street Journal ahead of the 2006 midterm elections, Zogby found Bob Beauprez narrowly ahead, though within the margin of error, in the Colorado Governor's race, a race that Beauprez actually lost by 15 points. Similarly, Zogby put Republican Mark Green up, though within the margin of error, in the Wisconsin gubernatorial race, which Democrat Jim Doyle won by 8 points. On the Senate side, Zogby pegged Democrat Sherrod Brown's lead over Republican Mike DeWine at 1.4 points where Brown ended up actually winning by 12 points. The list goes on. Suffice it to say, the results of Zogby's internet polling in 2006 just did not consistently jibe with other polling or the eventual results.

more... http://mydd.com/story/2007/10/22/122914/95

For those not in the know, here is the Zogby poll... http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1376

Whom would you NEVER vote for for President of the U.S.?
Clinton (D)50%
Kucinich (D)49%
Gravel (D)47%
Paul (R)47%
Brownback (R)47%
Tancredo (R)46%
McCain (R)45%
Hunter (R)44%
Giuliani (R)43%
Romney (R)42%
Edwards (D)42%
Thompson (R)41%
Dodd (D)41%
Biden (D)40%
Obama (D)37%
Huckabee (R)35%
Richardson (D)34%
Not sure 4%
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:33 PM
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1. NEVER is an awfully strong word...
I'd say any of the current candidates with an R behind their names are the only ones I can say definitively I would NEVER vote for. I'd drive spikes in my eyes first.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:36 PM
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2. So will it be between Richardson and Huckabee? /nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:42 PM
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3. Looking at the entire list all the TOP Tier in both parties
have high negatives.

Looking at the entire list you could say Americans simply are
not thrilled with any of the candidates. Rather than headline
Hilary, it might be Americans not to happy with any Candidates.

In spite of what Pundits tell us, I believe this is the state
of the election.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:52 PM
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4. I think this is post number 23 of this article
Can't you people do anything on your own. Over and over and over. If you took as much time posting intelligent and informative articles about your candidate instead of bashing the candidate who is kicking the ass of yours people might know what he stands for. Or maybe you don't know what he stands for, so you post hate messages against Hillary. At least post a new message this one is so repetitive especially after 23 times.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:01 PM
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5. Questions for you
Did you read the whole mydd.com commentary in the OP?
Do you realize it doesn't criticize Hillary, but criticizes the Zogby poll?
Can you please provide links to any of the "23 times" this mydd.com commentary has been posted on DU?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:06 PM
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6. Can't you ever do anything but whine?
Over and over and over.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:06 PM
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7. That's about right, when you consider close to 50% of the people in
the country don't vote.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:06 PM
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8. Perhaps we should choose someone in the middle of those two then.
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