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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:54 PM
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Telling Pat Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate Floor is bad form
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:56 PM by dave29
shooting someone in the face is bad form.
Outing a CIA NOC working on WMD is bad form.
Sending countless children to their deaths is bad form.
Politicizing the Justice Department is bad form.


I don't see anyone racing to censure, let alone impeach anyone on those matters. Nor was there ever any apologies.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:55 PM
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1. That is because the Republicans can do no wrong
Just ask the Congressional Democrats.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:56 PM
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2. well said
unfortunately.
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rabies1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:25 AM
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43. Hey, never being wrong is such a rare gift - I envy them.
But then, how do they learn anything?????
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:56 PM
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3. i don't remember a public apology. just a snarky look from dickhead
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:56 PM
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4. Threatening the president's life is bad form, as Jesse Helms did in 1994.
Yet, he, just like Pol Pot Dickhead Cheney, got away with it.

IOKIYAR. It's OK . . . If You're A Republican.

Was it Andy Warhol or Andy Stephenson who said "Being a Republican is whatever you can get away with"?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:59 PM
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5. dick did not say it on the Floor of the senate (cloak room?)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:00 PM
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It WAS on the floor, on the GOP side, but they were not in session. nt
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:00 PM
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7. yes, he did.
as they were walking out. Because Lehay had the audacity to call into question Cheney's connections with Halliburton
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:01 PM
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8. Leahy laughed, and said, hey, I didn't call YOU a bad Catholic! or words to that effect
I think he took glee at getting under Darth's skin...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:59 PM
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6. He didn't do it while the Senate was in session. If Senator Leahy had said
from the floor, in session, "Mr. President...(of the Senate)" to which Cheney snarled "Go FUCK YOURSELF.." from the dais, and maybe sailed that big gavel at Leahy's head (well, he does like to fire without warning, doesn't he!)...now, that would certainly be bad form and censure-worthy!!!

Cheney's remark came during a picture taking session, the annual 'class pic' they take.

The Senate was not in session at the time, ergo, he was just behaving like a fucking asshole. As usual. Not censurable, though...
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:03 PM
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9. still, bad form, and from a sitting VP, I think, censurable.
How about outing a CIA NOC? Censurable?

What do we do for treason these days?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:13 PM
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16. Bad form, yes. Censurable, no. He didn't violate any rules of the Senate.
Technically, they could convene the Senate at Fenway Park, if they wanted to or needed to.

The building is a venerated place, but that's custom/tradition. There's no rule of conduct in that building, absent an active session, unless we're talking about doing something illegal, and then you get into impeachment territory.

I know, I know...impeachment!! He's been in that territory already, sure, but not during that exchange with Leahy on the floor of the Senate.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:58 AM
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30. So why are dems being sensured for lesser
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 07:00 AM by FREEWILL56
things? At least what we've said are things that are true like bush being a war happy death loving greedy pig. We are to be held accountable, but they aren't? Something's wrong, something's very wrong.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:44 AM
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41. Pete Stark has had a problem for YEARS with "shooting his mouth off"
And keep in mind, he wasn't censured. He apologized to avoid the House taking that up that measure, and he was encouraged to do so by fellow Democrats.

His heart is in the right place, but he's not a Freshman Rep. There are rules of conduct in the House, and he plainly broke them. There's serious work ahead, and our side isn't looking for continued distractions--that's why his feet were held to the fire: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/10/pelosi_rebukes_stark.html

Stark has had a tendency to utter outrageous comments in the past, so yesterday's inflammatory statement was actually not surprising to members on either side of the House aisle. In 2001 at a Ways and Means subcommittee hearing on welfare policy, he publicly ridiculed former Rep. J.C. Watts (R-Okla.). Noting his GOP leadership position at the time, Stark derided the "current Republican Conference chairman whose children were all born out of wedlock."

Watts had five children at the time, with only the first being out of wedlock.

In 1990, Stark said Health and Human Services Secretary Louis Sullivan, an African American, was "as close to being a disgrace to his race as anyone I've ever seen." And in 1991 Stark singled out his "Jewish colleagues" for blame for that year's Iraq war.

Stark is well aware of his record of outbursts. In June 2005, after the revelations that defense contractors purchased Rep. Duke Cunningham's home outside San Diego at a $700,000 mark-up, Stark took out an ad in some Capitol Hill publications mockingly offering his home for sale: "Attention Powerful Lobbyists! House for Sale by Influential Member of Congress. From recent practices by defense contractor lobbyists, it appears that you may be able to slip a cool million to a Member of Congress with little fear of ethics violations."

At the time he told The Sleuth -- back at our alma mater, Roll Call -- that Republicans needed to lighten up. (Subscription required.)

"Oftentimes my Republican colleagues don't respond to anything but ridicule. You can be serious with them and they don't pay any attention," he said.

Rest assured, the Republicans paid attention yesterday, as did Pelosi.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:06 PM
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12. Cheney does not hide the fact that he still depises the Congress.
that is why he wants to make them irrelevant. All the more reason to throw out his (Cheney's) ass.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:09 PM
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14. No, and he's gotta be BULLSHIT that Charlie Rangel kicked him outta that SWEET suite where
Ways and Means are now!!! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Now he has to make do with his shitty spaces over on the Senate side!
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:03 PM
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10. Not reporting a shooting til you sober up is worse than bad form N/T
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:05 PM
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11. Oh yeah! That list could go on and on...
I am truly confounded as to why Rethugs can say and do the nastiest, ugliest things and get away with it. Meanwhile, if a Democrat even speaks the truth, much less make an impassioned judgment, the Thugs and MSM gasp and clutch their collective bosoms, collapse on a chaise lounge while fanning themselves, then leap up and demand an apology.

Seriously. How do they get away with this?
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:57 AM
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35. The MSM lets them.
It's far past time to take back the media and get rid of talking assholes that work for the neo-con gov't.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:09 PM
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13. Ah yes, logic.
Gets right to the point, doesn't it?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:11 PM
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15. It would be logic
if the OP agreed that Stark's comments were also bad form. It would also be logical if Cheney had been officially on the floor, and the Senate had been in session. Real logic isn't a partisan affair.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:17 PM
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18. Logic says a two party system
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 02:21 PM by mmonk
shouldn't have only one party always being criticized officially or censured no matter which party is in control.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:19 PM
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19. oic, all of the things Cheney has done cannot be punished
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 02:19 PM by dave29
because they were not said on the Senate floor, while in session... and therefore completely excusable.

Bad form isn't about where you are standing, it's about your actions and your deeds.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:22 PM
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20. Sorry, that's not the way formal institutons work. n/t
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:35 PM
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22. are those the facts on the ground, Cali?
because we may be in agreement there. Or would our agreement just be a shared opinion? It's so confusing these semantic arguments over opinion and fact... and so frustrating watching our Congress become a series of tubes flowing down a toilet...

but I guess as long as they are showing proper etiquette, all is good.

right?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:13 PM
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17. It's easier to show "spine" by attacking anti-Cheney voices like Moveon.org & Stark.
The DEM "leadership" shows some spine every now & then, but it's spine against voices OPPOSED to Bush, not Bush himself.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:26 PM
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21. You know what? This bullshit dog and pony show that is Congress
WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT ANYONE SAYS? WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

WHAT ARE THEY DOING? Nothing. They spend more time on bullshit verbage resolutions than they do stopping people dying. I'm tired of words. Do something to save this country. All this energy spent on words, words, word resolutions. Congress is awful good sticking their fingers up their ass. No wonder they have less respect than Bush according to polls.

End the war, restore habeas corpus, and save the constitution.

ENOUGH with the meaningless crap. America is trivializing it's way into the dustbin of history. At least no profanity was used in the ending of our country!

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:38 PM
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23. kick.....it may be too late
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:48 PM
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24. kick- this is important to remember- eom
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:12 PM
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25. K&R! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:14 PM
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26. bushit saying "Bring It On" got
Soldiers killed.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:15 PM
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27. This is why I recently decided that a new speaker might be in order.
GOPers are right: the Dems have no spine.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:00 PM
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28. Bravo - Got that right - someone remind Nancy P..
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:07 PM
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29. This isn't fucking tennis!
It's not "bad form". It's treason and should lead to impeachment & prison.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:34 AM
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31. HEY, you are either part of the JUNTA, or NOT, so STFU!
Unless you are wearing a Corrupt Bastards Club cap or t-shirt, you don't get a say what you want :rofl:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:38 AM
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32. i don't recall the democrats trying to censure chenee....
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:38 AM
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33. They've got the POWER
are they using the power of unlimited surveilance on Democrats and blackmailing them?
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:43 AM
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34. IOKIYAR
It's OK If You're A Republican.

Repeat as needed.
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:58 AM
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36. K&R
Repugs can do anything, and then they make their victims and Democrats apologize for it.

I am very discouraged.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:11 AM
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37. The Repukes seem to totally control the PR in DC. Reminds me too much of "1984"
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:21 AM
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38. HELLO......I've been thinking that too....
what the h*ll. "go f*ck yourself" yeah right no apologies at all. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:37 AM
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39. Make that "shooting someone in the face" when you're drunk as a monkey...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:55 AM
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40. Repukes don't back down - The Dem's are wimps and don't stand together
Pelosi and her taking Impeachment off the table is a clear indication of how the Dem's and repukes really do work together. - Bush will gladly turnover this mess to Hillary so she can continue the game.

Sheeple, that is precisely what America is becoming.
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Done Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:51 AM
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42. In the case of the face shooting
The guy did apologize to dick for getting in the way...for looking too much like a bird or something. So yes, there was an apology.
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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:02 AM
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44. Bad Form?
and THIS is bad form:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/General_claims_Bush_gave_marching_orders_1022.html

http://www.aclu.org/about/staff/administrationoftorture.html

I assume you have already gotten to this, but even if only 15% of what is claimed here is true, I would like to know why we are not conducting a rigorous investigation and impeachment proceedings taking place. An "oral encounter" was enough!
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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:03 AM
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45. Warmongering Fools
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KsF-RiMzGpk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t8xufsr2log
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:24 AM
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46. Our Senators Caving like This has
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 11:26 AM by Froward69
been simply driving me apeshit. I can hardly control myself. I am so angry about it, I cannot see straight!
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:05 PM
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47. Big Big kick!
:kick:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:06 PM
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48. Continual funding of a Lie-Based war is in Bad Form too.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 04:28 PM
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49. an unmentionable for the accomplices on cable media
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