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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:58 PM
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Bush

I do not think President Bush is amused by the deaths of American soldiers. I do not think that he has a healthy manner of processing their death, however. I believe he thinks that he is the one who is bearing the burden. He is not.

I do think that President Bush displayed a disturbing delight in the capture and death of Saddam Hussein. I think Saddam was a terrible human being. But I think President Bush had an unhealthy lust for his destruction.

I am sure that President Bush does not feel any responsibility for the suffering and death of the thousands of innocent victims of his violence in Iraq. That is perhaps the most pathological of all of his traits.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:01 PM
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1. I don't know that he's amused by soldiers' deaths--just doesn't much care.
Because he's a sick stupid fuck.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:12 PM
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12. I've said before
that he reminds me of some of the guys I used to provide services to in the county jail group.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:19 PM
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14. Don't forget, he is making more money with each death. No war= no chance to
rake in the millions...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:03 PM
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2. Bush is a sociopath
a seriously sick fugg.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:19 PM
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15. The inability
to regognizr other people as individual people with human worth and dignity is a rather diagnostic trait.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:05 PM
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3. Stark wasn't saying Bush got amusement from soldier's deaths...
He said they were being sent to Iraq for Bush's amusement. And I believe this is true if you consider that they are being sent for profit of those close to the Bush Administration: oil companies, defense contracts, etc. record profits... and who benefits? That to me is for Bush's amusement.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:51 PM
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20. That makes sense.
I want to be clear: I have no problem with Rep. Stark's statement. I understand that people are furious with what is happening to this country, and to Iraq. And he voiced that frustration. I called his office, to say that I believe that this country needs more people like him speaking out, not more of us holding our tongue.

I say things that upset people from time to time myself. I've made an effort to study various ways to do this.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM
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4. Neither do I
but as you rightfully point out, he doesn't care either. This is so glaringly obvious (see: not showing coffins) and asks, no begs, for a voice from the other side of the debate. Pete Strak did that and I support him, because the underlying reasoning is correct even if his statement wasn't literally correct.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:54 PM
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21. Many people notice
that at times when Bush is aware that he is supposed to appear upset by the war, he is very ill at ease. He says he is upset, but it doesn't fit his appearance. There is a saying in psychiatry about sociopaths: they know the words, but not the tune. It could have been made to describe George.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:47 PM
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32. Have you ever read "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" by Oliver Sacks?
He did a chapter on ahasiacs and agnosiacs watching a speech by Reagan with some utterly astonishing observations by them.

I would love to see a similar study done with W who is nowhere near as consfident a speaker as Reagan was.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:23 PM
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34. That came to my mind too.
There is also Oliver Sacks, _The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat_, who
recounts impaired neurology patients -- aphasiacs (who cant understand
spoken words, but take in information from extraverbal cues) and total
agnosiacs (who understand words but miss their emotional content) --
watching a speech by Ronald Reagan:
The aphasiacs laughed hysterically at 'the grimaces, the histrionics, the
false gestures and, above all, the false tones and cadence of the voice'
while the agnosiac sat in stony silence, concluding 'he is not cogent...
his word use is improper... he has something to hide.'

http://www.netropolis.org/silklist/msg01198.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:10 PM
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37. I have not.
It sounds interesting.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM
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5. might as well be amused
there's no point to any of it. This is what I believe Stark was getting at.

There has been NO good reason given for why we are in Iraq. "Amusement" was a term thrown out in a moment of righteous indignation towards this FACT.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:59 PM
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22. One of the reasons
the president frequently acts giddy when talking about the war of occupation in Iraq being to fight terrorism, is because he believes that he has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. He thinks he is a tricky fellow. These are the characteristics that add up to a troubling conclusion -- we have a president who is without conscience.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM
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6. Sucks!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:09 PM
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23. It is ironic
that he thinks himself religious, when he is actually the very definition of anti-Christ.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:39 PM
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31. He's self delusional, which was brought on by a lifetime of enabling
by parents who were disinterested in his actual upbringing and kept him off at schools and with nannies or caretakers to raise him. Even when he totally screwed up, he got told "you did a FINE job, georgie" or his daddy's money and/or influence bailed him out. He has no sense of self respect, he doesn't know what respecting others means and he has no sense of personal responsibility.

Granted, I'm no therapist or mental health professional, I just calls 'em as I sees 'em... he's a pretty easy read.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:13 PM
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38. His upbringing
played a significant role in his adult personality.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:06 PM
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7. malignant narcissism
No, he feels no responsibility and yes, he will always make himself out to be the victim if confronted with the unnecessary sacrifices he demands.

I'll never forget the interview with the woman who recounted how she was in the Oval Office with Bush and said her son was a giving and happy person and shouldn't have had to die so young. Bush countered with "How do you know his life would have been happy?" Asshole. :grr:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:10 PM
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24. He is gross.
He thinks that the mother was being disrespectful to the loss that he -- Bush -- suffered with the death of her son.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:08 PM
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8. Forgive me for lack-of-link, but there was a story long ago about how Bush asked to see...
...the "head" of bin Laden (severed - should he be captured, of course).:puke:

I don't think there's "delight" felt by the Chimp when casualties are reported, BUT I DOUBT he understands the impact of every death on literally hundreds of people. To him, it's merely a number.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:11 PM
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25. I have heard
that he has some article that used to belong to Saddam. The keeping of such trophies is diagnostic.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:53 AM
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46. He has Saddam's pistol:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,644112,00.html

When Saddam Hussein was rousted from his spider hole in Dawr, a town near Tikrit, by U.S. soldiers last December, Iraq's fallen dictator was clutching a pistol. He is now in detention at an undisclosed location, being questioned by American authorities and awaiting charges for war atrocities and crimes against humanity. But what ever happened to the pistol?

The sidearm has made its way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Sources say that the military had the pistol mounted after the soldiers seized it from Saddam and that it was then presented to the President privately by some of the troops who played a key role in ferreting out the old tyrant. Though it was widely reported at the time that the pistol was loaded when they grabbed Saddam, Bush has told visitors that the gun was empty—and that it is still empty and safe to touch. "He really liked showing it off," says a recent visitor to the White House who has seen the gun. "He was really proud of it."

The pistol's new place of residence is in the small study next to the Oval Office where Bush takes select visitors after pointing out better-known White House pieces like the busts of Winston Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower and a watercolor called A Charge to Keep, which gets its name from a Methodist hymn. The study—the one where Bill Clinton held some of his infamous trysts with White House intern Monica Lewinsky—has become a place where Bush keeps the memorabilia that hold special significance for him. Another of the room's mementos: a photograph of special-forces soldiers in Afghanistan praying after burying a piece of the World Trade Center there as a tribute to those who died in the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
</snip>

At least he doesn't have Saddam's head, eh?:crazy:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:00 AM
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47. Thank you. n/t
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:49 PM
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50. Even * knows you don't keep a loaded pistol around Cheney. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:10 PM
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9. I believe he demonstrated indifference at the suffering seen after Hurricaine Katrina.
He has shown direspect for military deaths when he aired his little "no WMDs here" skit to a room full of tuxedoed republicans.

It is written he found amusement in blowing up frogs.

This is not a man worthy of leadership. This is a man in desperate need of serious help.

my 2 cents.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:14 PM
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27. I agree.
The part about the victims of Katrina would be difficult to argue. I think his mother made a repulsive comment about how some of them had benefitting from the the events. I think she passed on many of her personality traits to her son.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:10 PM
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10. I don't think he feels amusement either
However, I don't think he actually cares about their deaths one way or the other. They're tools to him to be used to fulfill his desires.

I don't think he views them as anything more.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:15 PM
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39. Because he is
only able to see things as either being "all about him" or "bad," I think he views the soldiers deaths as evidence of his nobility.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:12 PM
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11. I agree with every word in your OP
It was put exceedingly well. I particularly agree with your last paragraph. The only think I'd add is that I believe he feels all the death and destruction he's caused is "worth it".

recommended.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:07 AM
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45. He's not
right in the head.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:13 PM
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13. "Just a comma"
I don't think * gives two shits about the people he's killing. And yes, I do think he gets some amusement from it.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:20 PM
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16. He was obviously amused by the people he put to death in Texas.
Extrapolation says he's still amused by death that he initiates.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:22 PM
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17. That is true.
I have a friend who is involved in opposition to the death penalty. He met with Bush years ago. He told me that the initial "W." stands for "Death." He said that Bush lacks a human component that we call compassion.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:31 PM
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18. he was very amused at the idea of Karla Fay Bakers death sentence.
I had the misfortune to see the vid clip and was quite taken aback of what a subhuman response that man had. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally, so I cannot dismiss that he could very well be amused by death and destruction.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:42 PM
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19. Exactly...that's the source of the Rovian phrase "Compassionate Conservative"
In the same way that Rove goes after an opponent's strengths, he also saves his biggest lies for *'s biggest weaknesses. I'm surprised they didn't make him out to be the second coming of Einstein, but I guess that was beyond even KKKarl's abilities.

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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 04:33 PM
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51. absence of compassion, or empathy, is the main trait of
a psychopath.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:12 PM
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26. I don't think he even thinks about them
The loss of lives and suffering of our soldiers never even enters his mind.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:15 PM
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28. I Think Of Him Strutting On The Mission Accomplished Stage
Wasn't he brave? As brave as a little ill one who likes to pull the wings off flies.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:23 PM
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29. That was just the run-up.
When he looked under the desk for the WMDs and everyone giggled, THAT WAS IT.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:29 PM
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30. I Forgot About That One
Wasn't that a riot? :rofl:

:sarcasm:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:09 PM
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36. It should have been a riot.
Instead, the enablers giggled at *dauphin pissing in ALL our faces. WMD? Can't seem ta find 'em... YOUR KID IS DEAD? Well here, take this coin and don't sell it on e-bay and don't you DARE be asking me to 'splain MY NOBLE CAUSE. It's a nazi thang. You wouldn't understand.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:56 PM
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33. No doubt
a true lack in/of ability to have a conscience.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:25 PM
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35. One of the traits of being a sociopath:
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:23 PM
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40. When George was 16, he enjoyed shooting 7-year-old Neil with a BB gun.






http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A13603-2004Nov25?language=printer

Not Your Dad's BB Gun
More Powerful Models Used in Shootings Giving Toy a Bad Name

By Don Oldenburg
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 26, 2004; Page C01

When George W. Bush was 16 or so, the frogs in the pond outside his boyhood home in Midland, Tex., weren't the only targets the future president shot at with his trusty BB gun.

"He said, 'I'm going to count to 10, and you run all the way down the hall,' " the president's little brother, Neil Bush, recalled at a Utah Republican Party dinner in Provo two years ago, according to the Deseret News.

Big brother drawing a bead on the backsides of siblings Neil and Jeb must have left a mark because Neil also told the story to a class of Richmond second-graders. "I was running as fast as I can with my little lightweight summer pj's on, and then '7, 8, 9, 10!' Boom! I felt it on my right cheek," the Richmond.com news reported his recounting.



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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:53 PM
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44. I Knew It!
Frogs, brothers, helpless people in Iraq, all the same pathology
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:29 PM
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41. i will never understand how he became president of the united states of america: twice
right before our eyes....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:34 PM
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42. -ler
It's Bushler. ;)


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:46 PM
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43. I'm agnostic on point 1 but your last sentence is accurate, imho.
It's always hard to speculate on how these people are truly reacting.

One thing for sure, Bush has displaced any sense of responsibility for the deaths

of over one million (1,000,000) US soldiers and Iraqi civilians.



That's a lot of death to carry and he's placed it right on top of the U.S.A. by his
invasion and handling of this entire fiasco.

He must be impeached.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:05 AM
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48. I think he's amused by his role as "War President"
I think he likes the posturing and scripts and imagery of being the stoic Commander in Chief, appearing even more significant in his pretend-uniforms posing with troops and reading words about sacrifice and heroism, etc. That's the part I think he actually enjoys -- being elevated for things he never did (the story of his life, no?).

I agree that he doesn't feel a shred of responsibility. I think his handlers make sure he doesn't, too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:11 AM
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49. I agree.
When Reagan gave many of his speeches, he recognized the fact that he was an actor delivering lines. Bush thinks that by delivering lines, he becomes the war hero of his fantasies.
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