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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:07 PM
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Scary ! : House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 09:15 PM by steve2470
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=4682

The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955). This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993). There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.

First let’s take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.

The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

*more at the link at the top*
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:11 PM
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1. And the beat goes on = doom doom doom do-doom doom do doom, yeah, the beat goes on...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:12 PM
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2. Kucinich voted the "right" way - good for him. I can't understand why it was
so OVERWHELMINGLY passed. Is there something we're not seeing here?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:20 PM
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11. No, I think it's something THEY are seeing. Or if they do see what
a horrible bill this is, they consciously chose to fuck us over but good.

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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:25 PM
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14. Plastic Patriotism
The dummies think they're outlawing militant Islamist Wahabism or other scary ideation. I bet many didn't read the legislation, just like the Patriot Act, but given the scary name and shallow understanding voted yes for flag and country. I mean it the collective IQ of our legislators must be 90. If this gets signed into law it's another nail in the coffin of American liberal democracy.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:13 PM
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29. Yet again another reason I support Kucinich.
Of course there is something that most aren't seeing, look back to 2002 and all that voted for a war that had no evidence to support it. Dennis Kucinich stood up for the people ( us ) and spoke the truth, that there was no evidence and that the war was about oil. So many things tell us that our representatives have other agendas that don't benefit the people they are supposed to support but yet we still support them? I don't, I will go with the one that was brave enough to stand up to the system for what was right. He had death threats before and if he gets enough support from us the people, he will get them again. Dennis Kucinich is not part of the bought and paid for that only care about themselves and don't give a shit about us. Its just too bad that the media controls what candidate that gets advertised to the population and the population is too stupid to see what is going on. Kucinich, Gravel and Ron Paul are the only ones that are standing up against the machine for the people and we ignore them all!

The American people have the power of choice in their hands and refuse to make the right choice, we get what we deserve. Its just too bad that other countries like Iraq and Iran pay for our stupidity! We should be the only ones to suffer from our bad decisions but we are too stupid as a people to see what is happening.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:03 AM
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40. I'm with you uber-car! n/t
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:14 PM
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3. Is this a Bushco bill or did we come up with this one?
I wish they would drop all this hate crime crap and label it for what it is - terrorism.
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recoveringdittohed Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:44 PM
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34. Bipartisan
Introduced by Harman (D-CA) and Reichert (R-WA)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:1:./temp/~c110g0GYuM::
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:21 PM
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60. Jane Harman (D-Homeland Gauleiter) was the point-woman
Intel Committee. She's always been hot for anything the National Security State and CIA desire. How exactly one is supposed to distinguish between her and the other Global War on Terror Homeland Hysteria Surveillance State supporters is beyond me.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:14 PM
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4. With a Democratic MAJORITY in the hOUSE this piece of crap passed???(*&^%$#
Holy Crap.:scared:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:14 PM
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5. Pelosi couldn't wait to get it to the House floor?
n/t
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:27 PM
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16. Why are you surprised?
Pelosi seems intent on pleasing the president. Rather than serving the people.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:15 PM
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6. to the front page with thee, k&r'd...
:kick:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:17 PM
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7. Woodward & Bernstein could have been prosecuted under this.
Nixon's administration certainly believed W&B were "promoting {a} belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda." There will be no more questioning of the government allowed. :grr:

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:52 AM
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46. No they couldn't.
Nobody could be prosecuted under this, because it doesn't establish any penalties for anything.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:18 PM
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8. Does this mean I have to STOP my Remote Viewing sessions?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:42 AM
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44. That and a Tin Foil Hat.
a direct channel to the Gods.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:18 PM
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9. GodDAM! Nobody seems to read ANYTHING before they vote,
do they? It seems like the online community has had to take over the reading of this stuff.. then explain it to our elected reps.. and then shame them into doing the right thing.

It's better than it used to be, but it is exhausting...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:43 PM
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23. Oh they're reading it all right, that's the whole problem
It is becoming clearer and clearer that there is a bipartisan effort to bring authoritarianism and fascism to this country, and sadly it is succeeding. Hmm, wonder when I'll get carted off for that extreme belief system. See ya all in Gitmo:hi:
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:51 PM
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35. Apparently only 6 Congresscritters have read and understood this:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:20 PM
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10. Are we gong to set up a department of precrime?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:23 PM
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12. Congress knows bushit lies about
everything and they're enabling them to keep up pretenses..nancy's a good little Capitulater.

Peter Michaelson: Pelosi Capitulates to Hatred

"There's an old adage that goes back into the mists of history: The greater the evil we try to depose, the more hatred we'll encounter....This (interview of Nancy Pelosi) all reeks of codependency. Codependents or enablers are usually "well-behaved" on the surface, but nonetheless are passive and in denial. Some of their worst features include a willingness to endure unpleasant situations rather than take action, a readiness to blame personal failures on external circumstances, and a tendency to imagine the worst that can happen and allow that impression to paralyze them.

More..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x316858
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:25 PM
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13. When faced with vague language like this, here's a tip:
Make it even more vague. Throw out some adjectives.

adopting or promoting a belief system for the purpose of facilitating violence.



Now, that sound less vague and less ominous as well to me, as it sounds like someone has to
prove that I have violent intent. I believe this is just the Dems wanting to look tough on
terror without having to actually do anything.

But I could be wrong. :shrug:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:02 AM
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55. You must have an awful lot of trust in this administration...
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:08 PM
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57. No, not a bit. I just don't feel as powerless as some people unfortunately seem to be. nt
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:26 PM
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64. Here's another tip...
per the military commissions act of 2006 -- along with the patriot acts and various executive orders and presidential directives -- "they" can do whatever the hell they want with anybody they choose to do it to, and there isn't a damn thing -- other than evacuating the country before the whip comes down -- you or I can do about it.

"They" don't have to prove you have violent intent, or anything else for that matter. The onus is now on you to prove your innocence, which is damn hard to do when you don't know the charges and have no right to a lawyer or public trial.

You argue your case as if you fail to grasp that you no longer live in a democratic republic based on Constitutional law and 220 years of legal precedent. There is no law; there is no habeas; there is no right to counsel; there is no right to privacy; there is no right to speak your mind; there is no prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.

There is only the whim and caprice of the "justice" department, and I suggest that's not an entirely trustworthy entity these days.

But that's OK, since war is peace, freedom is slavery and history is rewritten every time the previous lie becomes "inoperative."

I'm completely willing to be full of shit on this topic, btw, or any other. Just tell me where I'm wrong.


wp

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:26 PM
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15. K&R!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:28 PM
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17. i nominate pat robertson
to be the first person accused.
other suggestions?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:34 PM
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21. Dobson, Cheney, Feith, Perl, Rumsfeld.
Oh, wait.

-Hoot
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:30 PM
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18. Does this include Cheney and his cadre of evil doers? Take them to jail please.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:31 PM
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19. Grrecommended.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:33 PM
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20. Full text:
HR 1955 RFS

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1955

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

October 24, 2007

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

AN ACT

To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:

`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

`The Congress finds the following:

`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.

`(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.

`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.

`(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.

`SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.

`(a) Establishment- There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.

`(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

`(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

`(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

`(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

`(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

`(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.

`(c) Composition of Commission- The Commission shall be composed of 10 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom--

`(1) one member shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;

`(2) one member shall be appointed by the Secretary;

`(3) one member shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;

`(4) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;

`(5) one member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;

`(6) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;

`(7) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

`(8) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;

`(9) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and

`(10) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.

`(d) Chair and Vice Chair- The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.

`(e) Qualifications- Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including, but not limited to, behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.

`(f) Deadline for Appointment- All members of the Commission shall be appointed no later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.

`(g) Quorum and Meetings- The Commission shall meet and begin the operations of the Commission not later than 30 days after the date on which all members have been appointed or, if such meeting cannot be mutually agreed upon, on a date designated by the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Each subsequent meeting shall occur upon the call of the Chair or a majority of its members. A majority of the members of the Commission shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number may hold meetings.

`(h) Authority of Individuals to Act for Commission- Any member of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action that the Commission is authorized to take under this Act.

`(i) Powers of Commission- The powers of the Commission shall be as follows:

`(1) IN GENERAL-

`(A) HEARINGS AND EVIDENCE- The Commission or, on the authority of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, may, for the purpose of carrying out this section, hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places, take such testimony, receive such evidence, and administer such oaths as the Commission considers advisable to carry out its duties.

`(B) CONTRACTING- The Commission may, to such extent and in such amounts as are provided in appropriation Acts, enter into contracts to enable the Commission to discharge its duties under this section.

`(2) INFORMATION FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES-

`(A) IN GENERAL- The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.

`(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION- The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.

`(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies-

`(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION- The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's functions.

`(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES- In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.

`(k) Postal Services- The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.

`(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act- The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.

`(m) Public Meetings-

`(1) IN GENERAL- The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.

`(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION- Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).

`(n) Staff of Commission-

`(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION- The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.

`(2) STAFF EXPERTISE- Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields referred to in subsection (e).

`(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES-

`(A) IN GENERAL- The executive director and any employees of the Commission shall be employees under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code, for purposes of chapters 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title.

`(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION- Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.

`(4) DETAILEES- Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.

`(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES- The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.

`(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES- The Commission shall make it a priority to hire as employees and retain as contractors and detailees individuals otherwise authorized by this section who have active security clearances.

`(o) Commission Personnel Matters-

`(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS- Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.

`(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES- While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.

`(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEYANCES- Members and personnel of the Commission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or other conveyances of the Armed Forces of the United States when such travel is necessary in the performance of a duty of the Commission, unless the cost of commercial transportation is less expensive.

`(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS- A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.

`(5) VACANCIES- A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.

`(p) Security Clearances- The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.

`(q) Reports-

`(1) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes. The report may also be accompanied by a classified annex.

`(2) INTERIM REPORTS- The Commission shall submit to the President and Congress--

`(A) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, a first interim report on--

`(i) its findings and conclusions and legislative recommendations for the purposes described in paragraph (1); and

`(ii) its recommendations on the feasibility of a grant program established and administered by the Secretary for the purpose of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the effects of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and, if such a program is feasible, recommendations on how grant funds should be used and administered; and

`(B) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission submits the interim report under subparagraph (A), a second interim report on such matters.

`(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS- Each member of the Commission may include in each report under this subsection the individual additional or dissenting views of the member.

`(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY- The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.

`(r) Availability of Funding- Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.

`(s) Termination of Commission- The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report.

`SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

`(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively for the purpose stated herein or identify and expand an existing Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence so that a working group is exclusively designated within the existing Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose set forth in subsection (b).

`(b) Purpose- It shall be the purpose of the Center to study the social, criminal, political, psychological, and economic roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States and methods that can be utilized by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

`(c) Activities- In carrying out this section, the Center shall--

`(1) contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

`(2) utilize theories, methods and data from the social and behavioral sciences to better understand the origins, dynamics, and social and psychological aspects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

`(3) conduct research on the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism; and

`(4) coordinate with other academic institutions studying the effects of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism where appropriate.

`SEC. 899E. PREVENTING VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM THROUGH INTERNATIONAL COOPERATIVE EFFORTS.

`(a) International Effort- The Secretary shall, in cooperation with the Department of State, the Attorney General, and other Federal Government entities, as appropriate, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in their respective nations.

`(b) Implementation- To the extent that methodologies are permissible under the Constitution, the Secretary shall use the results of the survey as an aid in developing, in consultation with the Attorney General, a national policy in the United States on addressing radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

`(c) Reports to Congress- The Secretary shall submit a report to Congress that provides--

`(1) a brief description of the foreign partners participating in the survey; and

`(2) a description of lessons learned from the results of the survey and recommendations implemented through this international outreach.

`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:

`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism

`Sec. 899A. Definitions.

`Sec. 899B. Findings.

`Sec. 899C. National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Ideologically Based Violence.

`Sec. 899D. Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States.

`Sec. 899E. Preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperative efforts.

`Sec. 899F. Protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism.'.

Passed the House of Representatives October 23, 2007.

Attest:

LORRAINE C. MILLER,

Clerk.

END
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:04 AM
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38. so it only creates a commission and a center
it would be interesting if they gave examples of 'terrorist related propaganda'

"`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens."


Would that apply to discussions on DU about Chavez or Castro?
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:40 PM
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22. hey
go pelosi. you are truly moving up on my list. how about we make a nancy pelosi appreciation thread? anyone down with that? :sarcasm:
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:47 PM
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24. Does this outlaw Neocons?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:53 PM
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25. There's got to be more to it than meets the eye - stuff we don't understand.
There were only SIX nays! It's difficult to believe that the HUNDREDS of others felt it would be just okey dokey if it was as horrific as we're interpreting it.

The congresswoman from California who was on Bill Maher last week said the Congress has become fed up with all the crap coming down from Bushco. I don't remember her name but I didn't see a "nay" on the CA list that rang a bell.

Here's the link from the OP -- just look at it and it's apparent something's up (or it appears that way to me).

We need to ask our representatives to explain this to us.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:54 PM
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26. Stay tuned for a legislative re-definition of "violence"
(1) VIOLENCE- The term `violence' means any action, motion, or intent to act or move, including speaking or typing upsetting words about America or Dear Leader.

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:55 PM
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27. How many more policing agencies do we need? Seriously, for the
most free nation in the modern world, we sure do have a funny way of showing it.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:56 PM
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28. ooops
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 10:01 PM by steve2470
my rep didn't vote at all :) my bad.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:25 PM
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30. One more instrument of tyranny
There have been so many others, why are any of us surprised?

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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:37 PM
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31. time to alert all media
Mike Malloy, bless him, hammered on it for a while. We need to alert all the media to this. I knew NOTHING about this until I stumbled upon it here.

I think we need to email them and call them to cover this in great detail.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:40 PM
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32. Apparently this ONLY ESTABLISHES A STUDY GROUP....

I just read the bill. Nowhere in there does it establish any criminal penalties or say that anything that falls within the definitions violate any criminal code of the US. What it does do is establish a commission to study things that the "commission" decides falls within those definitions and report back to congress those findings every 6 months with a final report due in 18 months. This bill does not "in essence" create thought crimes, but it does set up a commission to study them. It is not "the legislation" to implement them but it does give us an idea of their mindset and what is in store for the future. In other words, we have 18 months to vote these butt-clowns out of office. Get busy. Thanks, Paul


http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=50696
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:42 PM
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33. thread with media contact information
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:00 AM
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54. That is how they do it every time. First there is a non-binding condemnation.
In this case, a study to determine the exact language of the condemnation. Once that is passed, the penalties are easy to put in place.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:29 AM
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56. Not saying this is not a worry...I'm saying NOW is the time for action...
It hasn't been done...yet....
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:04 PM
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36. Will Democrats vote for the ''Grind Democrats into Hamburger'' bill next?
And tell anyone who complains to apologize to President Bush for delaying the burgers for his barbecue?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:51 PM
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37. Minority Report? n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:11 AM
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39. ...
:kick:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:48 AM
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41. Perfect for PNAC.
Although I imagine this was designed with radical Islamic movements in mind.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:53 AM
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42. The libertarian right wing crazies are, as usual, a bit off base and lying to you.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 01:54 AM by ConsAreLiars
There is no law attached to this bill, other than a rather lame requirement that the Dept of Homeland Security obey the Constitution.

Edit to add a link to the actual bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955

You got played!
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:08 AM
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43. The definition you posted
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 02:09 AM by Indi Guy
"(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION - The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change."

Isn't this the self-same VIOLENT RADICALIZATION instigated and employed by Cheney & friends over the last six years? :shrug:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:46 AM
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45. Opposition to corporations is an extremist belief system
Line up the cattle cars!
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freestyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:19 AM
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47. This sounds mostly directed at white supremacists, dominionists,
and other similar groups. After reading the article, the exceprts cited from the bill do not seem overly broad. When I think of domestic terrorists, I think of groups being monitored by the SPLC and the militias that exist in some states. Not all "patriots" are created equal.
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:20 AM
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48. remind me again
who is in control of the house.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:50 AM
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50. "They" are, it's all one big fascists regime now.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 09:50 AM by EnviroBat
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:49 AM
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49. True there may be no "law"attached to such a bill.
I doesn't appear that they've even begun to define a penalty, but this bill is a dangerous instrument for further viloations of oue civil rights. Then could concievably use this horseshit to broaden NSA wiretapping. They are getting really desperate to keep us "in line", and that's congress as a whole. Our dems have sold us out. If we don't strat acting soon we are truly fucked. THIS IS NAZI GERMANY ALL OVER AGAIN!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:16 AM
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51. Gosh, the Democrats finally had "enough votes" to pass something.
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:35 AM
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52. House Passes Thought Prevention Bill!
Don't even THINK about it, America! Don't even THINK!



http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:57 AM
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53. of course we have a democracy
otherwise we wouldnt have these huge ordeals and debates about social issues, but when it comes to america emerging as a huge fascist nation our representatives are total non partisan, they want america to become a fascist state, which is why bush gets all the money he wants for his war, and why when sh*t like this makes it to the floor everyone wants to pass it.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:15 PM
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58. Sponsered by a fucking democrat no less.
Thank you Jane Fuckin Harmon. :argh:
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:19 PM
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59. K and R n/t
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 05:25 PM
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61. Um...
>>>"To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes"<<<:wow:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:01 PM
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62. kick
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:02 PM
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63. true, this does not pass any criminal penalties but...
it establishes a dangerous over-broad precedent to criminalize previously legal behaviors. The article in which the bill was cited was not a great article, but at least I agree with the main premise. We need to shoot this down. It is not a good bill.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:51 PM
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65.  It sounds scarey to me .
I'ver read it and need to read it again to try to understand what it really means .

I don't like the sound of it one bit . What we don't need is another way of find ourselves in a police state . Just the title of the bill is an eye raiser .
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