CBS News Poll - Gore emerges as a serious contender

My interpretation of a new CBS News Poll is that there is no significant difference in support for Gore versus Clinton among Democratic primary voters. I think my interpretation is fair even though CBS has given their poll results a different spin...

CBS News Poll - 456 interviews were conducted with Democratic primary voters. The margin of error for this subgroup is plus or minus 5 percentage points.

When former Vice President Al Gore, who has not entered the race, is added as a choice for the Democratic nomination, he emerges as a serious contender. Gore garners support of 32 percent of Democratic primary voters, while Clinton gets 37 percent, Obama 16 percent, and Edwards 7 percent.

Given that the MOE is 5% and Gore and Clinton differ by only 5%, then this poll does not demonstrate a statistically significant difference in support for Gore v. Clinton.

IMO, if he declared his candidacy, his numbers would rise drawing voters from Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. Why? If he declares now or early next year, then his views on all issues - climate crisis, war, health care, etcetera - would get exposure and he would attract more voters. Right now most people aren't aware of his views. Also, if he declared his candidacy and announced up front that Obama or Edwards would be his VP - his ratings would rise dramatically.

CBS Poll: Majority Of Dems Back Clinton - if you don't understand how to interpret the MOE... :eyes:

Meanwhile, the petition at Draft Gore is nearing 220,000 signatures... Sign It!

And over at the DFA pulse poll - Al has 27% of 92,330+ votes cast - Cast a write in vote for Al!



P.S. I will admit that Gore will not run for POTUS in 2008 when he either (1.) states that he will not seek, nor will he accept his party's nomination for POTUS in 2008, or (2.) when the Democratic National Convention is over and he has not won the nomination.

9-11 being an inside job? We now know were Bill stands. He better be on the right side of this issue!

As far as I know, he's never said anything indicating that he does.

that at some point Al Gore will realize he needs to assume the role that was stolen from him in 2000. His country's and the world's future depends upon it. He is the most knowledgeable, experienced, ethical, and intelligent person available to hold the position. Anyone else will represent a compromise we can't, at this point in history, afford.

and it has been reported that he isn't. You know I have no plans blah blah blah - I think these results are astonishing.

AL get your butt in this race WE NEED YOU....

look at this: (on edit tried to make this look "pretty" but it didn't work but I think it is still readable)

OPINION OF AL GORE
(Among registered voters)
Now 6/2007 1/2007 10/2000
Favorable 46% 34% 31% 46%
Not favorable 29 40 49 35
Undecided/DK 24 25 20 17

His favorable is the same as a month before he got the most votes in the Presidential election but his unfavorables are SIX points better

PLEASE RUN AL.....

Whomever replaces this regime will have years of cleaning up to do...fidning a way to end the clusterfuck in Iraq, an economy in shambles, health care in a state of emergency, educational system in meltdown and a ton of other, many still undisclosed, landmines. It's not like 2000 where we had a far stronger economy and he could pursue his goals and ideas. Whomever wins next year will have their hands full just trying to get this country back on stable ground. Methinks he prefers the international stage where his environmental messages have far more impact.

I can most certainly understand that he wouldn't want it - but I want him to run - because he is someone who could get the nomination and I could vote for without holding my nose....and I'm so effing sick of holding my nose....

but I also don't get it in some ways. What surprises me most about him not running is the passion he has for the environment. I think Al knows better than anybody that, by a million miles, the single greatest impact anyone in the history of the world could ever have on the environment would be as President of the United States of America. His campaign for the environment has done its job - at this point, I really don't see how he can have much more of an impact than he already has on that stage. There are plenty of people who care just as deeply as he does, and are ready, willing, and able to carry the torch. We're beyond the "raise awareness" stage in fighting global warming and are squarely in the "now we have to do something about it before it's too late" phase.

People often use the phrase "leader of the free world" to describe the American Presidency. Isn't that an even better stage than the one he already occupies? Slowing the U.S.'s environmental impact is priority #1, but the rest of the world needs to follow suit, too. What better position is there to accomplish this than as U.S. President? There is none. To squander an opportunity like that for reasons of personal autonomy is off-putting, and saying that he can have more of an impact as a private citizen is, to me, a bit disingenuous. Yes, there are other major problems he would have to deal with, namely, the ones you mention, but I think he's shown that he cares about those things as well, and he's just as capable as anybody to try and fix them. I just don't get it. :shrug:

"This is a time to respect every voter and every vote. This is a time to honor the true will of the people. So our goal must be what is right for America. There is a simple reason that Florida law and the law in many other states calls for a careful check by real people of the machine results in elections like this one. The reason? Machines can sometimes misread or fail to detect the way ballots are cast, and when there are serious doubts, checking the machine count with a careful hand count is accepted far and wide as the best way to know the true intentions of the voters.

First, we should complete hand counts already begun in Palm Beach County, Dade County and Broward County to determine the true intentions of the voters based on an objective evaluation of their ballots. Observers and participants from both parties should be present in every counting room, as required under Florida law. The results of this recount would, of course, be added to the present certified vote total and the overseas absentee vote total. If this happens, I will abide by the result, I will take no legal action to challenge the result, and I will not support any legal action to challenge the result. I am also prepared, if Governor Bush prefers, to include in this recount all the counties in the entire state of Florida. I would also be willing to abide by that result and agree not to take any legal action to challenge that result. If there are no further interruptions to the process, we believe the count can be completed with seven days of the time it starts"

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/july-dec00/gore_11-15.html

Al Gore IS THE MAN!!!

I'd be a bit disapointed if Al Gore picked another corporate selected candidate as his running mate, but Gore knows better than I do.

RUN AL RUN!!!

:D

Good.

:kick:

Registration for primaries, infrastructure for ground campaign, raising a huge amount of money in a very short period of time, and his concentration on global warming, are all indicators that Gore has 'unofficially' opted out of the 2008 race.

IMHO Gore could have announced Sept 1, and likely overcome all the practical hurdles referenced above. However, time is the one diminishing commodity that cannot be replaced, and time is not on his side now.

This election cycle is 'front loaded' with all the early primaries moved up and Super Tues on Feb 5th.

Just to compare how things have changed, if you compare the $ raised by Edwards this cycle he would be the leading $ raiser in the last election cycle. Instead, HRC and BO have changed the expectations for raising money this cycle.

the people know him, he doesn't have to dance around and make a big calculated showing like others

All he has to do is let people know he's a Contender and show up on those primary ballots, and it's in the bag.

Gore could enter now and be the front runner tomorrow.

This time it will be the first week in January.

you can vote 3 times

if you already voted but didn't think to do it 3x, no problem ... you can go back and change your vote before the deadline, some date on November, details on the DFA site,

From the link:

"This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1282 adults nationwide, including 1143 registered voters, interviewed by telephone October 12-16, 2007. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample, and the sample of registered voters, could be plus or minus three percentage points. 456 interviews were conducted with Democratic primary voters. The margin of error for this subgroup is plus or minus five percentage points."

Wow, based on 1143 supposed registered voters, with only 456 of them being Democratic out of how many millions?, we can surmise who is leading in an election that has a whole year with events unknown before it is held? That is why I think polls are really ridiculous. How can you base the viewpoints of an entire country on 1000 random people? And I don't care if it is Clinton or anyone else they say is in the "lead." NO ONE is really in the lead in these polls because there are so many other factors and variables to consider. The fact that people latch onto polls so vociferously to form their own opinions instead of actually thinking for themselves only proves to me that reason surely is not part of politics.

Your personal enfatuation with the man, which his candidacy would take away from you, stinks like a dead fish.

Typical response when logic isn't a factor in your thinking.

So you are a Hillary supporter! This poll scares you to
death, doesn't it? This poll is significant. It shows that
Hillary isn't so strong. Her power is with the MSM and
the MSM's power has diminished a bit. People are
finally waking up.

The OP is about a poll, and that is what I responded about. What's the matter? Does LOGIC scare you? If you had reading comprehension skills you would have read that I don't give a damn WHO they say is in the lead because polls intrinsically are flawed based on sampling, questions asked, methods of asking, and other variables. Matter of fact if you actually followed Al Gore's words he basically has stated the same thing regarding polls not being reasoned. So actually based on that, Clinton isn't more than likely as high as this poll states either, but we don't know that because as I stated, polls are basically flawed and deal with emotionalism and in my opinion where the MSM is concerned an ulterior motive. So get your head out of your butt and actually READ something before kneejerking. Your lame attempt to paint me as a supporter of anyone at this time just to validate your own obsession with attacking me shows how stupid you are. Now go ahead and tell the moderators to remove this because I called you a name... hypocrite.

the 'rules' the media has laid out for us.

People are sick of the old ways. The focus on non-stop crapola, hype and teardowns that manage to sidestep all the issues they want addressed.

I think a Gore run has the possibility to bring back voters who just gave up on voting altogether. A new-century campaign could do it. Complete focus on what needs to be done. Cut the corporate media control of campaigns off at the knees. REALLY control the message by thwacking the howling horse shit media. If he can manage that, it would be great.

I know they are out there because I run into them while wearing my Draft Gore button. Thanks mostly to AIT and Bush's misadministration they've seen through the media hype and understand that they were lied to.

Why did they put the info about Al Gore at the end of the article? That is the most significant information from the poll. If you read the link at CBS to the complete results (bottom of article), you may have noticed this: In an earlier horse-race question in the same poll, without mentioning Gore in the choices, 2% volunteered his name. When he was added to the choices, 32% chose him.

This shows me that the "bump" he would get from simply declaring is enormous. It would be even larger than I previously thought. Most people aren't as involved as we are. They don't think about it enough to favor someone who isn't technically in the race. If his name is put in front of them, 32% choose him. Even more would choose him if he were a declared candidate. Someone else commented that he could enter the race as the front-runner. I certainly think he would. And, since he drew support away from Clinton, Obama and Edwards, it shows that the potential support for him is unlimited.

As far as the logistics of getting a campaign underway at this late point, I don't think there will be any problem here, because by him entering, the entire landscape of the campaign would be changed. He won't have any problem raising money given his high polling numbers. When he enters and draws support from the other candidates, some of the lowest polling candidates will withdraw. Their staff members and volunteers will become available to work for Gore. Some staff members and a significant portion of volunteers from other campaigns will jump ship to sign on with the Gore campaign. This will lead some other candidates to withdraw, putting their volunteers and staff in play, too. He already has a core of volunteers, staff members and a national infrastructure in place for his environmental campaign. They could be slightly repositioned to become a working presidential campaign. And, he has the resources of Current and the internet to facilitate organizing.

The only issue is filing deadlines. Some states are non-issues: MI, FL and probably IL. So the question is, how long can he wait before getting in? OR, what is the optimal time for him to get in? There is effectively a national campaign already in place, slightly amorphous, and waiting for the candidate to be the organizing factor. Once he declares, things will fall in place.

I just hope his people are monitoring the situation very carefully and keeping him apprised of the progression. He may very well not "want" to be president. We all know it will be a horrible back-breaking job to clean up this mess. But, he loves this country and he loves this Earth. Therefore, I believe he will do the right thing and jump in.

That being that Al will "jump in."

It matters not if the polls, stars, moon, and planets are all entire lined in his favor - if thousands of DUers beg him to run with eloquence and reason and justified passion. None of it means a damn thing unless Al wants to run.

He has not given even the slightest hint that the door is open for 2008; it IS open for down the road, but not in 08.

When can all this Gore hoping energy be used to make a REAL difference in 08? What about directing all this hope toward an alternative candidate to Hillary? What about hoping Al makes an endorsement of Edwards - that would upset the donkey cart.

I posted a thread 2 weeks ago asking the most determined Gore supporters when is the last or the last dates on the calender for him to enter. The first week in November was the consensus - too many missed filing dates beyond that. Minus a brokered convention (which I highly doubt Al would want) - the door will slam shut within two weeks for any mathematical chance for Al during the primary/caucus process.

Of course, I'd love it if I'm wrong and your right! :)

The day he jumped in, it would be "Hillary who?"

He will have full access to the White House and their advisers. The Access that years of public service, the vice presidency, and the experience of a global environmental ambassador, will insure.

He might feel with this access and influence, a better position for him could be realized with a special appointment as a global ambassador to bring all nations together in efforts to curb further destruction. He could do all of this without the constant bombardment in the media and from the republicans.

There is a hint of change in the air, when major networks are acknowledging climate change, when the UN suddenly releases a report derived from data they had in 1992 decrying catastrophe without curbing action, when the nobel prize is awarded for a recently denied phenomena, when CNN has a special entitled 'Planet in Peril'; all these coming together in such a short period of time suggest someone has decided it is time to start informing the general public, we do indeed have a problem, an urgent problem.

I personally find it hard to believe that Al Gore would fore go the theoretical most powerful political position in the world if he didn't have a feeling his influence would later be felt.

Fast approaching is a November 5th deadline for filing that should define the final field. After that California and Illinois would be sacrificed both states with lots of electoral power. IMHO after that date, Gore would be taking too great a risk if he indeed had any designs for the political trenches. If he doesn't run, then I will assume he feels he has a vector of influence into the future administration.

Also noting the above paragraph describing a hint in the air of change, all of this new attention of climate change and the need for industrial nations to put environmental considerations into the center of social and economic policy, can not bode well for the republican party, still mostly in denial. The fact the media is now awake from their environmental slumber, speaks volumes to me, when noting the ownership. As I said, feels like a significant change is testing political currents.

This post looks like it comes straight from the HRC campaign.


:think:

I would like nothing more than to see Gore enter the arena, and I would not only vote for him but would also work for the campaign.

Second, I am as anti DLC, new Democrat, anti corporate democrat, as they come. I refuse to vote for a republican light that in effect, shifts the center farther to the right. If you have the privilege, you might want to try the search function, and read some of my past posts, if you feel you have me pegged by my handle.

And for your information, I'm an ex-pat that moved to Costa Rica after the 2004 election debacle, refusing to further support through taxes or in any other way the country I was born to, until which times the foreign and domestic policy actions of my ex country are in the best interests of its citizens and the citizens of the rest of the world, as well. I have read too much history, studied and suffered through too much politics, not to acknowledge as myths, the supposed US fables about freedom and democracy, and all of the other benevolent leader of the free world bullshit. So if you think I'm a troll, or perhaps a Clinton shill, from my handle, the CR is for Costa Rica, the 'H' is my initial. Peace.

I have been stating just what you posted.

it's amazing the flamage that I received.

"I will admit that Gore will not run for POTUS in 2008 when he either (1.) states that he will not seek, nor will he accept his party's nomination for POTUS in 2008, or (2.) when the Democratic National Convention is over and he has not won the nomination."

I should know. I'm a fellow knucklehead. :)

Run, Al, run! :kick:

An environmentalist AND a corporate oil man (Valero) might mix like, well, oil and water.

(Bless Google for that quick information.) As a former Secretary of Energy,
I don't think that makes him a "corporate oil man".

Plus, I think Richardson has much going for him:

He has by far the most extensive and varied resume of any candidate on either side of the aisle -- Congressman, Cabinet secretary of multiple departments (simultaneously), UN ambassador, world hot-spot negotiator, Governor.

He would also be the first Hispanic candidate for VP ever, probably bringing us votes in key western, southwestern and midwestern states.

He has done a good job in New Mexico on a series of fronts (taxes and tribal relations among them), but two specific issues mean much to me. He helped lead the effort to replace paperless DREs statewide with a paper ballot-based opscan system that has reduced apparent "undervotes" by 85% in minority communities.

And he singlehandedly refused to let the legislature kill that state's medical marijuana bill this year, resulting in New Mexico becoming the 13th state to legalize medical marijuana. Their program is unique in that it includes a provision that the state will produce and distribute cannabis to patients in need so that cannabis will be available as soon as patients need it, not 5-7 months after their diagnosis (which is how long it would take patients or their caregivers to grow useful cannabis for themselves.)

I like that provision for a number of reasons, including the fact that it was my idea.

He also wants us out of Iraq yesterday. 'Nuff said.

And how it's reached emergency status. Seems like a perfectly good reason to run to me.
In Scituate, they're widening parking lot spaces to accommodate all the SUVs - now that's looking ahead to the future.

class guy who doesn`t want the democratic party to split between him and hil,so he won`t run,however if the convention goes open and his name is introduced he will run.

This is what the article says in relation to Gore. Everything else deals with candidates who are running.

"When former Vice President Al Gore, who has not entered the race, is added as a choice for the Democratic nomination, he emerges as a serious contender. Gore garners support of 32 percent of Democratic primary voters, while Clinton gets 37 percent, Obama 16 percent, and Edwards 7 percent. Gore is viewed favorably by 46 percent of registered voters, his highest favorability rating since October, 2000."

statistically significantly different - it is "spin" to title the article "Majority Of Dems Back Clinton - Former First Lady Is Clear Front-Runner, But Significant Obstacles Remain." Clinton is not the clear front-runner if support for Clinton and Gore is not statistically significantly different.

I so want him to run, and as you say, he's hasn't absolutely ruled it out. But he's not offering us a lot of hope either. It's torture to be teased this way. PLEASE, PRESIDENT GORE, RUN!

No matter what he decides regarding the POTUS, Gore will be working for us all by addressing the climate crisis and we will need to work for and with him to get the job well-begun.

I can still work to support Gore's candidacy even if I maintain an unattached perspective - and it helps me be less anxious.

:hi: :hug: :hi:

What, me worry? Gore is the best, regardless of what he decides! :) :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2144719&mesg_id=2144719

:-)

And he did get Al's attention! :D

extended the prize to Gore with the hope that it would be boost the chance that he would run for POTUS '08. It would be great if Gore read the same meaning given him by the Nobel committee with the awarding of this prestigious honor.

has expressly stated that they tend to give the prize - not to someone whose work is done - but to someone who is making excellent progress and who may be helped by the Prize to make it all the way to the end. Whether he uses the Prize to do more of what he is doing now or whether he runs for POTUS, it will help him reach the goal.

:hi:

:D

I don't believe you are omniscient.

You may be correct about this item, but as I said in the OP, I will admit that Gore will not run for POTUS in 2008 when he either (1.) states that he will not seek, nor will he accept his party's nomination for POTUS in 2008, or (2.) when the Democratic National Convention is over and he has not won the nomination.

he would draw alot of people from kucinich/gravel and biden because he represents their views and he is more electable in terms of being known then they are. I love kucinich but would vote for al gore because realistically gore can get elected and i share alot of his views, need to find out what his stance on NAFTA is now though.

Has he ever commented on that possibility? :shrug:

So many of us want him to assume the position that was stolen from him in 2000, but getting him back at his old job wouldn't be bad either.

It would be sweet irony to be able to chant in the streets outside Cheney's Residence, "Get out of Gore's House!" :applause:

:yourock:

Thanks for posting! I needed that!