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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:25 AM
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Is marriage a dumb move?
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 11:26 AM by HypnoToad
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/24/pf/marriage.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2007102506

Family values pundits are at it once again! Last time, I put up a MSNBC article about old couples divorcing. Now it's just a matter of "Why bother?" when it comes to money.

Seems the liberal left media isn't the only cause of marital problems; the tightie corporate righties have a thing against it too.


Falling in love after years of building wealth can make life complicated. Tying the knot can sometimes make it worse.

(snip)

Nothing kills romance like the words "my attorney."

(snip)

If you're getting married Consider a prenuptial agreement, especially if you want to earmark assets for your children from a previous marriage. It will spell out how your money and property will be distributed when the marriage ends (either by divorce or death).

If you're not, You'll want to have what's called a "living-together agreement." Similar to a prenup, it specifies who owns what, which expenses and assets you'll share and what happens if you separate. Also, have a lawyer draft health-care proxies, HIPAA privacy waivers and medical powers of attorney, which will let you make health-care decisions on each other's behalf and give you rights such as hospital visitation.

Update your wills, beneficiary designations on retirement and brokerage accounts, insurance policies and titles on your house and cars if you are fully merging your assets.

Mann and Wally are a conventional enough couple that not getting married never crossed their minds. But these days it occurs to plenty of other couples of a certain age and wealth who are put off by the risk and inconvenience of joining two financially mature households.

It's a matter of security and ease: Had Mann and Wally simply opted to live together, for example, they wouldn't have had to deal with sorting out the ownership of two homes, deciding on a succession plan for Mann's business or protecting the inheritance for Wally's four kids from his two previous marriages.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:27 AM
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1. I dunno...ask my ex-wife....
:evilgrin:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:29 AM
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2. Nothing kills romance like the words "my attorney."
PRICELESS!!! :D
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:30 AM
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3. The irony is almost amusing.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:30 AM
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4. Marrying Sparkly was the best thing that ever happened to me
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 11:31 AM by Husb2Sparkly
Unequivocally the best thing.

Without a doubt the best thing.

I am one VERY lucky man.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:25 PM
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24. You are SUCH a suck-up
Just kidding, I am an extremely fortunate man myself.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:28 PM
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26. Then you know ......
.... that sucking up pays off. :)
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:31 AM
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5. yes nt
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:34 AM
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6. According to my friend
the Washington State rules are better at protecting you than a pre-nup.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:37 AM
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7. Yes - Dumb move!!! n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:39 AM
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8. It would be for me
If I wanted a husband, I'd have hung on to the one I had.

Marriage isn't for all of us, that's for sure.

Sorting out the money has nothing to do with it.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:52 PM
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34. I feel the same way. I have been divorced for over 30 years now
and finding a husband doesn't even register on my list of priorities.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:12 PM
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44. Right after mine came through
Newsweek came out with that story about how a woman over 35 was likelier to be killed by a terrorist than she was to get married. I knew it was bunk, but I found it incredibly comforting.

Meanwhile, my ex is on wife #3. I guess marriage was a better deal for him than it was for me.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:14 PM
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48. My ex is also on his third wife. I never had the urge to try it again.
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1000evorlrak Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:40 AM
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9. Yep.....
Nothing else on this planet is as good can suppress a woman's sex drive like wedding cake does.
I'm married. Should we divorce there will never be another Mrs. 1000evorlrak.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:43 AM
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10. Dumbest move I ever made.....twice....
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:45 AM
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11. I believe in the institution of marriage . . .
but who wants to live in an institution? :P
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:17 PM
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20. Good one!
I was married at one time, but I got better. :evilgrin:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:46 AM
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12. Yes, but I disagree that it's about financial reasons.
IMO the greed disease is the motivator for that line of thinking.

The reason I think it is usually a bad idea is because it carries a high risk of lulling people into a false sense of security. As a result, they may stop valuing each other and treating each other the way they did when they could "lose" them easily. They may start taking each other for granted and assuming that their partner will stay with them because of all those promises in those vows.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:51 AM
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14. When kids are in the picture, they deserve to take a family for granted. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:59 AM
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17. What do you mean by that?
Do you think people should stay with their partners, no matter what comes, 'for the kids'?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:13 PM
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19. "No matter what?" No. But...
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 12:15 PM by lumberjack_jeff
The reason I think it is usually a bad idea is because it carries a high risk of lulling people into a false sense of security.

For kids, a perception of security is all there is. Their parents relationship is outside their control, but in turn has fundamental control over their entire lives.

They deserve more than 'this partner will do for now'.

I do not think that marriage is inherently a bad move. My parents divorced when I was 5. My kids are demonstrably better off because I didn't follow that lead.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:19 PM
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21. I meant the sense of security as in "I can do whatever the hell I want,
and this person will put up with it, cause they promised to put up with me until I die."

Kids deserve security, yes. They also deserve not to live in a house where the parents are at each others throats on a regular basis.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:55 PM
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35. There are two sides of that coin.
A couple who won't marry because of the commitment required each inherently have one foot out the door. It's fundamentally insecure for the children who depend on them.

In my experience, I know of no one who married because it would enable them to "do whatever the hell I want." In contrast, I have known lots of people who remained single for that reason. In fact, it was a large point of the OP.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:04 PM
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46. Yes, there always are two sides.
Not every family fits the standard model... and they shouldn't be made to feel that they have to.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:37 PM
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29. Kids deserve security true, sometimes it's found not marrying their other parent.
They deserve security indeed. Sometimes the best way to get that security is to not be married in a bad situation. It is easy to get pregnant, harder to provide a secure situation.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:41 PM
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30. What is "a family"?
Biological mother, father and kid(s) living together? Biological mother living with child? Biological dad living with child? Adoptive parent living with child? Adoptive parents living with child? Foster parent(s), same sex, different sex, grandparent(s), other relative(s), friend(s)?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:50 PM
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33. Any family is better than no family.
But "family" is not a transient concept.

My niece has adopted her same-sex partners daughter. They have a successful family because they've been permanent since the girl was small. They are in a committed relationship - this commitment is important to the children.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:50 AM
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13. I married HS sweetie when I was 21.
It was a very good move, although at age 21 there were certainly days when it didn't seem so. ;)

Now that we have stuff (and kids to whom I intend to leave it to) if anything ever happened, I probably wouldn't remarry without a prenup, and I hope the same goes for her.
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:52 AM
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15. It's a matter of priorities.
If you love your money more than you do your mate, it's best to remain single.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:57 AM
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16. I think marriage before 30 should be avoided.

I think it takes that long to know who you are, what you want, & realize the REALITY rather then the fantasy of marriage.
I am not against marriage, but I am against marriage for the wrong reasons to the wrong person.

But, I would never support a law about such a thing. I know some people marry young & who have had very successful relationships, I just think they are the exception rather then the rule.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:14 PM
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45. Unfortunately, biology is against that idea.
The safest years for childbirth are between 18 and 26. Society might be changing, but our bodies are not.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 11:59 AM
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18. I don't know anyone who got married with out a prenuptial contract
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:22 PM
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22. and i've never known anyone who's had one.
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 12:42 PM by QuestionAll
:shrug:
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:35 PM
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28. Me either
Although most of the people I know don't have a lot of assets to worry about.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:02 PM
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42. Me either
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:24 PM
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23. it's worked out GREAT for my wife and i...closing in on 20 years now.
but then, we didn't make the mistake of having children- THAT'S financial suicide.
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:26 PM
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25. Depends on who you marry...


http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:33 PM
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27. I'll tell you what's a dumb move.
I have two very dear friends that have been married for 30 years. In all that time they have been fighting tooth and claw. They have never gotten along. I don't know how they ever lasted so long. Now after 30 years, when both of them are in their mid 50's and don't have a pot to piss in, they have decided they can't live with each other and are splitting up. And I'm probably going to have to take one of them in and help them get on their feet.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:42 PM
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31. Well, 1 out 3 ain't bad. 3rd marriage for me & wife. 26 years so far.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:49 PM
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32. it depends on who you marry. We got married 16 years ago and didn't have much $$
at the time so the pre nup would have cost more money than it was worth.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:56 PM
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36. Well, I sure hope it isn't, since
I'll be walking down the aisle and changing my name exactly four weeks from today! (egads, I can't believe how fast it's coming up and I've still got soooooo much to do!!!)!

However, as a paralegal, I do agree that there are many complicated issues involving money, debt and estate planning when it comes to older couples. I'm 42 and never married, my fiance is 53 and divorced. Ours is a bit simpler, though, since neither one of us really have that much. We're not poor, but we don't have "built-up wealth", either. He's an attorney, so we've joked that it would be pretty funny if he did his own pre-nup (he can't, legally, but we still have a good laugh).

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:01 PM
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40. My Dad got remarried at 53, he and my Mom divocred when i was 5, he was 32 at
the time and stayed single after that until he met my Stepmom, they've been married now for 14 years. they had no pre-nup but they both have wills and if Dad should pass and leave all his money to Stepmom---fine with me, it's his money.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:56 PM
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37. never married, never divorced....... nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:56 PM
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38. if so, i'm 31 years stupid.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:00 PM
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39. No way... I've been very happily married for 13 years
I just can't imagine life without my husband. Separating assets was never an issue, because we got married young and neither of us had anything. :) Now, everything we have is ours... neither of us have ever thought about it differently. Although it's not common to marry in your early 20's anymore (it seems), I'm very glad we did, because we built our life together.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:02 PM
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41. Marriage rocks
Lots of sex, loads of fun, and the list goes on. When it becomes about money, it ain't marriage :)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:03 PM
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43. Theory: some corporatists want all adults in separate houses
so they can sell twice as much stuff.

But then the wedding industry would have a fit. The divorce rate is a boon to the wedding industry. They didn't used to get to sell multiple weddings to each person.

Ain't America grand?

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:53 PM
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47. Interesting theory... you may be on to something there
I've never thought about it in that way before, but it certainly does fit, doesn't it? Bottom line, everything (trends, fear, what is socially acceptable as determined by the mass media, etc) is driven by money, and lining the pockets of the powers that be.
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