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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:57 PM
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Craig to argue sex sting was unconstitutional
I guess Craig doesn't think the hole he's dug for himself is big enough yet...

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/craig_to_argue_foottapping_a_constitutional_right.php


Craig To Argue Foot-Tapping A Constitutional Right
By Eric Kleefeld - October 26, 2007, 3:04PM

Larry Craig is now taking yet another path in his quest to legally absolve himself: He is legally arguing that the law under which he was arrested and subsequently pled guilty to disorderly conduct in a men's room is in fact unconstitutional.

This puts Craig with an odd ally for a conservative Republican: The ACLU, who argued in an amicus brief that foot-tapping and hand gestures alone, absent a real sexual act, were protected by the First Amendment.

Craig's lawyers will file their briefs by mid-December, and have asked to make oral arguments before the appeals court in St. Paul.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:58 PM
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1. Atta boy, Wide Stance.
That should work.

:sarcasm:
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:59 PM
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2. Argue all you want
just remember, don't play footsie with the Judge.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:59 PM
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3. Whatever. It's all good with this guy.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:00 PM
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4. I bet Larry "tap tap" Craig can't wait for this:
"Craig's lawyers will file their briefs by mid-December, and have asked to make oral arguments before the appeals court in St. Paul."
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:00 PM
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5. go Larry!
fight it all the way to the Supreme Court! Let's see what Clarence Thomas has to say.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:01 PM
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6. so he is saying that the govt should stop legislating morality then.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:04 PM
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11. Beautiful, Isn't It?
I wonder if this means he's seen the light?


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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:16 PM
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18. I think he's saying gov't should stop legislating HIS morality.
Funny how repukes shred and piss on the Constitution until they need it to protect themselves.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:16 PM
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19. I know - and, next he'll run to the ACLU
wah wah wah, all the way home.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:01 PM
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7. "file their briefs" "oral arguments", why is my mind in the gutter?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:04 PM
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10. Heh, heh, heh. You're not the lone ranger!
:D
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:01 PM
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8. the bottom line with wide-stances case is that he had over two months to ponder this
and still pleaded guilty and paid a fine. Only when it came out did he suddenly discover that he should have fought it.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:03 PM
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9. Funny how that Constitution can come in handy on occasion
Perhaps he'll argue that there is a right to privacy implied in it. I bet he wishes he hadn't voted against those pesky 4th and 5th Amendments now.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:54 PM
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31. Ron Paul's been riding the Constitution horse for months--it's all the rage!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:04 PM
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12. Seems like something an enemy combatant would say. Better string
him up in Guantanamo to make sure.
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:04 PM
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13. You can't
put "briefs" and "oral" in the same sentence about Craig without eliciting some giggles..


Craig's lawyers will file their briefs by mid-December, and have asked to make oral arguments before the appeals court in St. Paul.


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:05 PM
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what a stupid SOB. You CANNOT raise new issues on appeal.
You must raise them at the trial court level or you waive them. That is basic intro to law stuff. And this guy was on the judiciary committee?

no wonder the federal justice system is in trouble.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:05 PM
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14. Will that make ALL STING OPERATIONS unconstitutional?? Or just his
because he is a Senator!!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:06 PM
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15. I hope he wins
It's a stupid law. It's ironic that Craig is now aligned with the ACLU. That doesn't make him less of a hypocrite. I suspect if he had his way flashing a peace sign would be punishable by jail time.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:07 PM
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16. Just to clarify: which law are you saying is stupid?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:14 PM
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17. Foot tapping
and hand waving as being considered disorderly conduct. I don't think any money changed hands. If that happened then it's another story.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:17 PM
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20. I don't believe Disorderly Conduct spells out the specifics in that way.
Do you think disorderly conduct is a stupid law? Or using it to cover "foot tapping and hand waving"?

Do you think trying to look into bathroom stalls and reaching into them should be covered by Disorderly Conduct?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:28 PM
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23. I don't think disorderly conduct
is necesssarily a stupid law, but not for foot tapping or hand waving.

I wonder why Craig wasn't busted right out if he was peering into the stall. The foot tapping and hand waving part seems pretty lame to me.

I think what bothers me about this is that it seems to be something used to bust gay people.

Craig is a hypocrite and a liar but I do wish we lived in a society where people are so repressed that they feel the need to try to hook up in a bathroom.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:31 PM
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25. I suspect they were letting him go as far as they could let him go to
have a sudfficient case.

I think DO is a good call on someone who peers and reaches into restroom stalls.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:41 PM
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28. I suppose your right
It did have a desired effect of exposing a hypocrite. But I would be interested to see who put through a law like this and wonder if some underlying motivation was not to make our bathrooms safer, but to bust gay people.

Must be a weird job, being an undercover cop in a bathrrom. Yuck.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:42 PM
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29. Might be both. We are told the Airport had received multiple complaints
about this restroom, which is why an undercover officer was there.

I would also, as a gay man, say I have zero problem with arresting and charging people peering and reaching into stalls.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:51 PM
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30. That's fair.
The peering for sure. I got the idea that is was more of a wave than a reach. If he reached under and grabbed the guy, that would be obvious.

I wonder how hard it is to get a conviction in cases like these. No money changes hands, no witnesses, basically a "He said, he said" senario.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:19 PM
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21. Good arguments -- sure. File it, file it, file it! Get the media on the horn to cover this!
:woohoo:

Keep fighting, Craig! Remember, you are the victim in all of this! Tell your party about it!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:29 PM
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24. bravo! and you go, Larry! nt
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:20 PM
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22. OMG..
What a hypocritical tool.

He may try, but he can't tapdance his way out of this one!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:32 PM
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26. Yay! Take that GOP embarrasment right to the Supremes!
that'll keep Craig's prim little pervert face in the news for months to come!! (so to speak)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 03:34 PM
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27. He's an inspiration to perverts everywhere.
Go Larry!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:08 PM
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32. Fight 'em, Larry! America is with you on this travesty. Don't give in !!!!
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 04:09 PM by Lastlaughin08
Bye, bye, Larry. Bye, bye, GOP in '08.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:09 PM
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33. The Gift That Keeps On Giving! Give 'Em Hell Larry!
:rofl:
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