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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:03 PM
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Honeybees' Disappearing subject of Nature on PBS
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 07:03 PM by supernova
Heads up for those interested in Colony Collapse Disorder.
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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:05 PM
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1. I wish PBS was given more funding.
one of the only worthwhile channels out there.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:18 PM
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3. Totally agree
And Nature is a wonderful program.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:10 PM
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16. the people must fund them.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:09 PM
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2. just on "60 Minutes" also....implied it was due to Bayer's new insecticide...
sure sounds like that is the reason.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:19 PM
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4. Interesting
Also, until this CCD starting happening, I wasn't aware that there were large scale beekeepers who move their hives from one crop to the next. What a bizarre thing we do.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 09:35 PM
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9. The PBS piece explored that more.
It looks like a combination of factors are the cause, a sort of 'perfect storm' for colony collapse. Or death by a thousand cuts, if you like. Viruses, insufficient food supply due to feeding on these monoculture farms, mites, stress from constantly working, overdevelopment killing off other pollinators, and insecticide. The bee keeper on 60 min did believe that it was really the insecticide that did it because it disorients the bees and they can't find their way back.

One fascinating part of the PBS show was when one place in China killed off all it's bees due to overuse of pesticide and the people resorted to pollinating by HAND.
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:28 AM
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11. That "perfect storm" you describe is chilling...
Viruses, insufficient food supply due to feeding on these monoculture farms, mites, stress from constantly working, overdevelopment killing off other pollinators, and insecticide.

The bees are "modeling" what we're doing to OURSELVES, i.e. what's going to destroy Humans if we don't change course.

Think about it:

Viruses, insufficient food supply, mites, stress from constantly working, overdevelopment, and insecticide (pollution).

Heed the Bee.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:47 PM
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26. Heed the Bee is right
Monocultures will be the death of us all.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:39 AM
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12. They presented it as a possible factor
but the Agriculture Dept. guy in charge of this, Jeff Pettis said:



"Well, if that's true, then we'll be able to find certain levels of different pesticides in those hives. And we haven't -- we don't have that complete picture yet. We just don't have consistency that points us in that direction," Pettis says.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:05 PM
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5. Scary.
I only caught the end. I hope the CCD virus doesn't wipe out all our bees! :-(
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:17 PM
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6. I have followed this story with great interest. n/t
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:05 AM
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13. Didn't see PBS or CBS shows but ...
Was any of this mentioned?

Finding Land Mines by Following a Bee

"Today's methods of detecting land mines has one problem: Whether accompanied by keen-nosed dogs or chemical-vapor detectors, human mine-sweepers still must step their solitary way through minefields. It's dangerous work, risking a trip of a fuse that could easily maim or kill. So to avoid that, a group of scientists is researching how to put a more nimble creature to work: the honeybee ... Jerry Bromenshenk and his colleagues from the University of Montana at Missoula are responsible for training the bees ... By injecting trace amounts of target chemical into feeders, the foraging bees seek sources of food with the same smell," explain the team in its paper. Bees can be trained in one or two days to seek out buried explosives because of their high odor sensitivity in the low parts per trillion range."

US military trains 'air force' of bomb-sniffing bees

"US military defense scientists have found a way to train the common honey bee to smell explosives used in bombs, a skill they say could help protect American troops abroad ... Scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico said in an online statement published Monday they had developed a method to harness the bee's exceptional olfactory sense ... According to Tim Haarmann, principal investigator for the Stealthy Insect Sensor Project, the honeybee's phenomenal sense of smell rivals that of dogs."


Maybe, its the backdoor draft and the bees are on duty in Iraq. And, should we lose the real thing, there are the robobees.

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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:37 PM
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7. Fascinating, frightening, humbling.
I caught both this PBS special and the 60 minutes piece which also aired tonight, with which it looked like it shared some footage, and was riveted. This is no conspiracy theory folks, mark it confirmed. Like others, I had no idea of the nature of our dependency on our pollinating friends before this started making the news. This could actually be more of a tipping point of changing our outlook than maybe even global warming. Because the effects of global warming are, in the minds of most, still many years away, while this will affect people in months. People need to understand 'the environment' isn't some vague thing 'out there', it's here and now. It affects everything we do. You can't sit in your McMansion smugly walled off, thinking you can ride anything out. Not now. Not if you're paying attention.

I can't remember the number, but I think it said something like the bees do 90 billion dollars worth of work for free. That's how we need to frame this. The people most responsible for this mess only understand dollars, throw it back in their face. Without bees, you can eat wheat, corn and a few other wind pollinating crops. Animal based products get more expensive because of feed. Nice world, that.

Check for reruns, it's important.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 09:02 PM
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8. Starts soon on 60 Minutes too, on the West Coast.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:02 PM
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10. On now on PBS -- west coast on COX (8 PM)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:40 AM
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14. morning kick
makes me wonder if the harm to the bees, is an early warning to us humans
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:45 AM
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15. they said the insecticide stresses the bees, causing them memory loss and
ruining their immune system. Then they get viruses and mites. They view their hives as toxic and either can't find their way home or won't return to them. Goodbye bees and goodbye food supply. It is also no secret that the human immune system is under assault as well. Big corps, big pharma destroying the planet.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:23 PM
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17. Nature Podcast
If you didn't see it. There is a shorter online version here:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/podcasts.html
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:27 PM
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18. It was just chilling !
If the problem is not solved soon , our food supply could change forever . I love PBS. I wish I could afford to support them more.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:47 PM
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19. Yes, nobody does the job
of polinating plants more efficiently than the honeybees do.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:29 PM
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20. It was pitiful
seeing those people in China trying to polinate the trees .
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:30 PM
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21. When is it on???
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:44 PM
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22. Check your local PBS station schedule
It ran for many of us last night.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:48 PM
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23. I saw bees in my yard this last month.
We have these tiny daisy-like flowers in the yard and there were bees all over them. Not a lot but some.
I'm hoping that these bees are wild and not corporate domesticated ones.
Maybe they will return once we're gone from the planet.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:54 PM
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24. The military's use of bees is real


Bees--or rather, bee tongues--are the olfactory key to the new "Vapor Detection Instrumentation" developed by a company called Inscentinel. The "instrument" detects explosives, cancer, drugs and pretty much anything else that stinks, according to the U.K. company.

Inscentinel uses Pavlovian principles to train the bees, the same way it's done with canines. For every successful sniff of contraband, the little guys are rewarded with food. The bees are taped to the "measurement device," and a camera alerts the operator when they stick their little tongues out in hunger.

So don't be alarmed if you see the yellow and black patrolling the airport. And don't bother calling PETA, because the "bees are happy undertaking their sniffing tasks and are comfortable throughout," Inscentinel claims. "After their working shift the bees are returned to their hive where they happily live out the rest of their lives."

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 02:46 PM
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25. Just watched it, very interesting program
I sure hope they figure this out. I know I shouldn't say it, but my ears pricked when I heard CHINA was possibly involved. :shrug:
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