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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:51 PM
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The Nation: "Al Gore: The Write-In Front-Runner"
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=246846

A funny thing happened when the Deaniacs were asked to decide who they might want to back for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

The supporters of the 2004 presidential campaign of former Vermont Governor Howard Dean and their allies, who form the base of the Democracy for America organization nationally, have been participating in recent days in a poll to see whether a liberal "consensus candidate" can be identified.

***

But the voting so far has been revealing. The announced candidates for the Democratic nod are all pictured on the DFA website -- www.democracyforamerica.com -- and several of them have taken advantage of the opportunity offered them by the group to dispatch emails explaining their candidacies to DFA lists.

***

The front-runner is a write-in candidate: former Vice President Al Gore.



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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:54 PM
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1. Well, at least nobody will be able to blame Nader...
:popcorn:

In seriousness, if not an official candidate, who would take the risk?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:40 AM
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9. And writing in your candidate of choice
for the primaries is taking a risk how?
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:51 AM
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10. We might end up with Hillary?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:12 PM
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2. ah, music to my ears ;)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:13 PM
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3. I just wish
they had left the poll alone as it was from the beginning, it was at the point of them asking who would you support if Al Gore doesn't run that the numbers started to tighten, I believe Al Gore would be farther ahead otherwise.

Thanks for the thread, Mabus.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:44 PM
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4. K & R
Thanks for the thread.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:53 PM
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5. A very important week ...
As I mentioned over in the CBS Poll thread ...


" ... For what it's worth, I just stumbled upon the upcoming schedule for Jay Leno's The Tonight Show ...

Th 11/8: Former Vice President Al Gore

Just sayin' ....
"

My best hope is a Sunday (or Monday) announcement, to start the news week out with BIG election news (and time to make the Illinois filing deadline Monday), and watch the momentum build for a few days before going on the Leno show.

Pleeeeeease AL ... don't let us down !

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 08:33 AM
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8. The announcement
If it occurs will happen in a manner as I have suggested before:

"I have spent the last few years working hard outside the political system on what is the most important challenge for this generation, and quite possibly our greatest challenge for the survival of our species. I worked hard to spread the message that we have to work towards change with hope for the future in our hearts. I did as much as I could to move people and I feel now that most American citizens, and citizens of the world are aware of the stakes and have it in their hearts to act to protect the future and the generations that follow."

"I have looked out at the campaign for the highest office of the land and I believe this is one place where attention must be paid and I do not think the magnitude of this great threat is being given the attention it deserves..."

"One year out from possibly the most important election of our generation I cannot ignore the call of duty that this crisis demands any longer..."

----------

Obviously his speech will actually be a well written and not something I typed up in 5 minutes at work while taking phonecalls...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:06 AM
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22. Good Speech, ken! Gore
should get you on Board:)

We need to neutralize the corporatemediawhores for Gore to really win! And we've been workin' on it for years..they do a lot to implode themselves but we need to take them over the edge.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:46 AM
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29. Well
Kucinich was my first pick but the media seems to be actively ignoring him at every turn.

Gore would be a good candidate too.

Hillary and Obama are entirely too conservative for my tastes. Too open to war, not interested enough in the environment, and far, far too trusting of corporations and business solutions.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:15 PM
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34. Well
I don't have a candidate yet this cycle..but, I'm getting to the point that pandering to assholes, corporate greed, and the state of our Planet is getting to me right where it's trying to nudge me in the direction of a candidate like Kucinich.. Of course, the cmw are ignoring him..he's "We The People"..they can't handle that.

Imo, "being too conservative" is being too fascist. Conserving is not pandering to corporate greed that ravage our Planet Earth and pandering to the corporatemedia who control thoughts.

Conserving is saving our Planet for our future Generations and saving our money for our Country to make it a good place to live..not throwing it away on killing people in IRaq because they're enabling bushits' World Domination Plan.

Fucking nancy and dianne.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:42 PM
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38. Well
I have to admit that if Gore runs I would be sorely tempted to back him over Barak and the Hill. I had higher hopes for Edwards but his attempts to bump up have gotten ignored while every faux pas he makes is broadcast heavily. Hillary is the only candidate that doesn't get this treatment.

The media just ignores Kucinich and hopes he will go away.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:49 PM
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40. Yeah, I may be going for
a candidate this time who I know has no chance to win this "election" but will work for him now and for the future.

The cmw do NOT want Edwards, either..I don't think Gore's going to run and if he does then my "reverse psychology" works again! :)

Anybody that the corporatemedia wants is someone who will COVER UP and be BUSINESS AS USUAL.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 05:27 PM
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46. A mostly overlooked candidate worthy of your attention
My first choice is Al, but if he decides not to run, as it appears, my choice is clear....Chris Dodd. He, more than the others, is walking the walk.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:54 AM
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16. Gore to announce on LENO?
It's all very fun and kewl to think it could happen but I can't see it. Not a chance.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:07 PM
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6. AL GORE,...
ANSWER THE CALL!!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:50 AM
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7. Recommended. And, he may just be the "write - in" President ...
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:03 AM
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11. The people, not the powerful, should choose our candidates
and Gore is the one that many see as the appropriate leader for our time.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:35 AM
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14. He most certainly is, minus one fact...
Al does not want to be president in 2008.

I wonder how long folks will hold on to this wishful thinking?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:48 AM
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15. I've been holding on to it since he published "Earth in the Balance"
I don't have a time limit.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:56 AM
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19. I'd love for Al to be president yesterday...
Or in 2000 (when he REALLY WAS the choice).

It's just now I think all this run-Al-run hype distracts from the bigger concern - getting an alternative to Hillary as our nominee.

He is not running in 2008. That story is over.

2012?
2016?

That would be fantastic!!!!

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:09 AM
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23. It isn't meant to distract, the movement means to focus
To focus on the climate crisis because none of the announced candidates are taking it as seriously as they should. It is, as far as I'm concerned, a battle for the future well-being of our planet. I will continue to advocate for Gore until after the nominee is actually chosen. Until then, I will speak my mind and my heart.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:17 AM
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26. I'm with you on the battle for the future...
Of our great planet earth.

I agree with Al on almost everything he has to say about this, with the exception of one big item.

He thinks he can achieve his goals doing what he is already doing. Maybe? He only won the Nobel Peace Prize!

I contend he would be far more able to initiate change from the pulpit of the presidency; and he would. Too bad he and I disagree on that!

I'll advocate for Gore's goals - but not his candidacy. I respect the man's personal wishes on that...
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:29 AM
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27. And so you're posting on this thread to discourage people?
I believe the OP was about people wanting Gore to run and so you start posting to dissuade people. What's up with that? What's the harm with people speaking their minds and expressing their thoughts on whom they believe would make the best candidate? What was your motivation to begin posting on a pro-Gore thread and telling people to give up?

fwiw, people told me to give up over 20 years ago on a local environmental matter. People told us it was inevitable but I kept fighting. Twenty years later, the wetlands I've been fighting for are still intact thanks to a lot of hard work by me and others. We stood up and spoke out when most people didn't think we stood a chance. Along the way we've won several court battles and changed federal policies. I'm one of those people who will fight, against all odds, for what I believe and one of the battles I've been fighting is to get Gore in the White House. I won't give up because there's too much at stake.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:39 PM
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31. Never give up, just choose your battles wisely...
There is a difference between wanting Gore to run and really running. There is no harm at all in "people speaking their minds and expressing their thoughts on whom they believe would make the best candidate?" I think we all do that Mabus - part of our grand democracy eh?

My point is simply that IMHO, the best way we can achieve Al Gore's goals are to work for a REALISTIC outcome in 2008. Realistically Al Gore is NOT running for president in 2008. Maybe 2012, but more likely 2016. DK will not be president in 2008 either, I dearly wish that was not true - but it is.

Can I passionately advocate the dreams and goals that Al articulates in Earth In The Balance and still acknowledge that we will have to do that without Al as president in 2008? Remember, I'm not suggesting to give up a damn thing in terms of environmental outcomes - but Al has no plans to run! The big state filing deadlines will come and go by mid November and minus a brokered convention, Al will have NO MATHEMATICAL HOPE of being president even with a billion petition signatures.

We are actually far more on the same page than you realize. I've been an environmental activist for years, though I've toned down my Earth First! days as a young man.

Al Gore has always been my 1st choice and I'd trade my Kucinich vote in a heartbeat if he ran, but he is not running! Some folks seem stuck on the dream they can convince him, it is only there that we disagree. I do not want a DLCer corporate pandering politician in Hillary as our nominee. To Al Gore wishful thinkers I say save your energy for another time, todays fight is to put someone as closely aligned to Al as we can in the White House. My guess - that would be John Edwards. John has the only realistic chance to beat Hillary and unlike Al, he is running!



peace~:)



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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:43 PM
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39. Bravo !!
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 01:43 PM by weeve
Well said Mabus, and thank you for your local activism. I too won't give up banging the drum ... with three young children's future on the line, how could I do otherwise ?

I like the general slant of this thread. Apollo's guess of a Sunday announcement sounds about right to me (as I've said in other Gore threads). Starts off the week with HUGE election news coverage (headlines, anyone?), meets the Illinois filing deadline (really the only upcoming BIGGIE), and keeps the momentum rolling right through the week, with the 30 Rock ( remember the news tidbit how the cast and crew all wore Gore for President t-shirts on the set? ), on to that night's Leno show. Sounds just about perfect timing to me ! It just boggles my mind to think that Gore would pass up this opportunity, especially with the stakes for the planet being so high. It kind of goes against all he's been saying, and time really IS of the essence. I could be wrong, but I really don't believe I am. ( In fact, I'm almost giddy? ) Either way (even though there is only ONE way), I think he WILL use the Leno appearance to make an unambiguous statement. ( Actually, I believe that unambiguous statement will be on Sunday or Monday .. but that's just me. ) Regardless, my opinion of Al Gore the man will not be diminished. I will be bewildered if he definitely opts out, but I really don't think he will.

If so ( ugh- don't even want to think it ), I too like many here will wholeheartedly jump on the John Edwards bandwagon. But this is Al's time, his moment. Mark my words ... he'll grab it.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:18 PM
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47. It was "Earth in the Balance" that got me on board too
Think of it -- he wrote that decades ago. A man waaaay ahead of his time.

But if he does decide to run, his life will be in danger. Not only that but the press will be skewering him at
every opportunity.

We have to cover his back --

I wish I could serve as one of his protectors. I would do anything to serve him. I've never felt this way
about anybody.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:55 AM
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18. I think he does.
Otherwise why not make that Shermanesque statement? He made a definitive statement in the last cycle and then most people left him alone.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:10 AM
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25. time will soon make any statement ...
No longer relevant.

I don't know why he has not said unequivocally I AM NOT RUNNING IN 2008.

Yet with big state filing deadlines fast approaching in early November, it won't matter since Al will not even have a mathematical chance of winning.

Minus a brokered convention, he is out. I dearly wish he was in --- but he is not.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:03 PM
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43. I think your math is off...
he's only missed a couple of states by the end of next week.

Plus, there is a good chance that Gore will be on many major state ballots and of course there are a lot of caucus states this year.

But if you have better, precise info, I would love to see it.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:36 PM
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44. More info...
Did a search on good ol DU and came up with this, thanks to JMDEM:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2150724&mesg_id=2150868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2150724&mesg_id=2150992

According to above, December 3rd is really, REALLY the end of the line for getting into it (minus a brokered or deadlocked convention).
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 03:53 PM
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45. Early December,
rather than early November sounds more accurate, BUT there are a lot of robust state ballot campaigns going on. So I expect Gore to be on the ballot on many major states such as NY and CA. So the real math is pretty complicated and could go well past early December.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:09 AM
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24. It could happen..
Imagine the most needed Prez of the USA at our Time In History!

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:04 AM
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12. Petition to get Gore on the ballot in NY >
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seven7sign Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:21 AM
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13. Interesting results
I voted for Al Gore, I wish he would run.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:54 AM
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17. Mr. Gore - maybe The Beatles can convince you
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:16 PM
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35. Nice! Thanks for posting. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 10:57 AM
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20. Pretty Amazing Stuff..
That the 2008 Prez Election comes to down to .. many of us just wanting to write the cutie in!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:03 AM
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21. This Sunday, November 4th, is exactly one year out from the election.
If Al Gore wants to make a last minute entrance into the race for 2008, then this coming Sunday is the day to do it (even if a few State primary filing deadlines will already have passed).

Everything we know about Al Gore's plans for the next few months points to him NOT running.

But just in case he is planning a "stealth" announcement - Sunday is the day.

IN GORE WE TRUST :patriot:
www.algore.com
www.draftgore.com
www.americaforgore.org

:kick:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:32 AM
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28. Or on Leno on Nov. 8th
Earlier in the evening on Nov. 8th Gore will on NBC's "30 Rock" in the episode "Greenzo". Then he will make an appearance on Leno's Tonight Show.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:37 PM
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30. Kick. (nt)
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:09 PM
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32. Gore..

Is one of the few that will actually get me voting. I do believe in him.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:14 PM
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33. GORE GORE GORE...AND A CHEER GOES UP FROM THE CROWD
AND IF NOT----------------------------
-------------BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO RUN--------------
-------------------------------COULD HE PLEASE DIRECT HIS FOLLOWERS TO VOTE FOR EDWARDS-----
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:18 PM
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36. I don't like Edwards pro hunting stance - especially in the National parks.
I'm going for Richardson if Al doesn't run.
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 01:22 PM
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37. NH Form:
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 01:23 PM by NastyDiaper
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:51 PM
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41. I couldn't agree with you more, Comrade....
Let the breath of ten thousand willows raise the wind.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 02:56 PM
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42. I couldn't agree with you more, Comrade....
Let the breath of ten thousand willows raise the wind.
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