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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:11 PM
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Don't let your kids knock on the wrong door tonight
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 12:14 PM by SoCalDem
http://www.city-data.com/

You can check for sex-offenders and their addresses in your community at this website..

some will be at the end of the list with no address listed, but you will have the names..so maybe another website can check by name..

There are 193 living in MY town :scared:
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:19 PM
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1. Yikes! 193?
Thanks for posting the link. It listed zero for my community, zero for the town to the west, and one for the town south of us.

But, it's not like pedophiles always check-in with the authorities, so... :shrug:

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:21 PM
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2. My daughter goes out with her friends and her Dad, no way would i ever let her
go out without one of us.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:22 PM
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3. Also, throw away any apples or unwrapped candy.
They probably contain razor blades.

Also, be on the look out for temporary tattooes that look like little blue stars. They contain LSD, and will turn your children into druggies.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:27 PM
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7. My daughter got on of those little blue stars once!!
I did my duty as a good mother and licked all the stuff off of the paper to see if it was LSD.

It turned out to be just a stupid temporary tattoo and I got nothing but a blue tongue for my efforts. :(
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:31 PM
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8. LOL
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:34 PM
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10. LOL!
:spray:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:01 PM
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30. Bwahahaha!
:rofl:
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:13 PM
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37. LSD? Lone Star Dem? Coincidence? I think not! LOL n/t
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM
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18. When I was young we would bob for apples
I remember going up onto someone's porch and they had a barrel there where we could bob for apples...Imagine someone doing that today? We're planning on having a party next year and we're going to have an apple bobbing barrel.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:53 PM
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23. Lots of germs in that barrel.
All the kids are adding their saliva to the water.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:39 PM
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52. Good
I'm growing more and more convinced our hyper-hygene society is to blame for our kids growing incidences of asthma and allergies. Just look at the current newsweek cover.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/62296
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

Anyways, show me one person who died from bobbing for apples.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 03:04 PM
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55. And none of us died.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:24 PM
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4. and i bet all 193 are freepers
it just seems that that is the way things are.

oh and by the way, everyone in the palm beach area should be careful not to let their kids ring rush limbaugh's doorbell. he travels to the dominican republic to fondle little boys. don't let your kids anywhere near that fat pedophile's house. even if he doesn't feel up your kid, there's a chance his candy is laced with viagra or oxycontin.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:26 PM
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5. We have 126 in our zip code
and at least a third of them are out of compliance--no address, many without pictures, too

Only one lives near where my grandkids will be T or T'ing, but he's in an apartment in the Senior residence just outside of our housing area.

Thanks for thinking of checking that out. :hi:

The link you gave didn't lead me to the state offenders list link, but by googling Megan's Law California, I was able to get to the look up site.

PS One little girl in a classroom where i substituted yesterday mentioned that when I get candy, maybe NOT get candy that has nuts in it 'cause she's allergic, and maybe a lot of other kids are, too.

That was something I had really never given any thought. Interesting point made by a 3rd grader.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:50 PM
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21. the site I listed is strictly by town/city
but you are right.. there are plenty of lists around..

My boys used to go with a crowd of about 10 kids.. They were mischief-makers, so I always half expected that a cop would call on ME to tell me what THEY did :rofl: but we never worried that much about their safety when they were young..

Most people around here just have parties these days..

last year , I think we had about 5 trick or treaters.. My husband's co-workers ended up eating the candy I had purchased :)
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:27 PM
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6. be afraid, be very afraid,
afterall, one of those sex offenders might have peed in an alley
to get that designation.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:31 PM
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9. Good Grief
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 12:40 PM by DefenseLawyer
I am a parent, my kids are trick or treating and I want to insure they are safe. Do you really think former sex offenders are routinely grabbing kids off their porches every Halloween? Don't let them treat or treat on the beach either, as there may be a shark attack. The recidivism rate among sex offenders is generally lower than for criminals in general. There is no rational reason to think that those on the "list" are any more likely to harm your kid than some creep who has yet to be caught and is thus not on any list at all. I would hope that we would make sure that our kids were not going to be put in a situation where they would face danger on any porch, list or not, such as by going out alone or by taking other actions which aren't safe. Otherwise this just seems like unnecessary hysteria.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM
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12. Seconded.
If you want to protect your kids use reflective tape and flashlights, and upgrade their safety seats, because the biggest risk to their safety, by a long shot, is car accidents.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:40 PM
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15. Thirded
We're trick or treating in our neighborhood. The one which my kids and I walk through routinely. There is no danger in them going house to house to get candy, especially with my wife or I walking with them. I refuse to let Halloween be stolen by paranoia.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #12
24. excellent point, my kid goes out with her Dad because i know she's not watching
what's in front of her, she trips up the stairs.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:39 PM
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13. Hey, don't stop a knee-jerk, fear-mongering, reactionary hysterical mass scare once it starts.
Soon they'll be throwing a rope over a high tree branch by torchlight.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:41 PM
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16. Heh.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7090227

Frankly, I blame this paranoid bullshit for ruining halloween. That's why you've got kids trick or treating during the day, at the mall, completely ruined the spirit of the thing.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:43 PM
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19. The recidivism rate among sex offenders is generally lower than for criminals in general? HUH??
39-52 % is nothing to sneeze at..and 8-10 sex offenders in jail injured or killed their victims..
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume10/j10_6.htm
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:58 PM
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26. Just the facts, ma'am, or sir as the case may be
The U.S. Department of Justice found that over a three year period after being released
from prison, 5.3% of sex offenders were rearrested for a new sex crime (Bureau of Justice
Statistics, 2003). Studies by Canadian researchers involving over 29,000 sex offenders found a
14% recidivism rate among all sex offenders, with 13% of child molesters re-arrested, and rapists
re-arrested at a slightly higher rate of about 20% (Hanson & Bussiere, 1998; Hanson & Morton-
Bourgon, 2004).

The overall recidivism rate for convicted felons is around 60%. Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
So yes, the recidivism rate among sex offenders is generally less than for criminals overall.
Sorry to rain on your parade.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:05 PM
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32. Hey .. no skin off my nose.. The first time I was molested was waaay back when I was 6
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 01:05 PM by SoCalDem
and the last time I was raped was when I was 17.... I'm 58 now..

Both were "repeaters"..

My boys are all grown-up so I have no "dog in this fight" anymore..

Forewarned is forearmed..

People do not know their neighbors much anymore..

sorry you took offense:)

edit for their:)
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:56 PM
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47. No offense taken
Just adding my two cents to the discussion. Sorry to hear about your experiences. Certainly don't take my position to be "pro-molester" or to discount what a serious problem child abuse is. The fact that you were molested as a child by a convicted sex offender is terrible, but nonetheless is is statistically rare.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:07 PM
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48. About 25-30% seems to be the number used these days
Edited on Wed Oct-31-07 02:12 PM by SoCalDem
So I guess that 2/3 to 3/4 of women haven't been.. It's about 17% for men..

no link..It's what my doctor told me :)
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:30 PM
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49. I'm sorry
But I can't find any DOJ statistics or other studies that say that 30% of sex offenders re-offend with additional sexual offenses. I have seen a statistic that says convicted sex offenders are more likely than non-sex offenders to commit a new sexual offense. In other words it is more likely for a sex offender who re-offends to do so with another sex offense than it is for say a car thief to re-offend with a sex offense. But that is not the same thing as saying sex offenders as a whole re-offend more than criminals as a whole, as it only looks at those that do re-offend, not the percentage that do. Even the 30% number your doctor told you is still half the overall recidivism rate for felons.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:55 PM
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54. no.. 25-30 % of all women report having been molested as kids
that's the number I was using.. :)
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
51. No offense, but "re-arrested" and "re-offend" are not synonymous.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:54 PM
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53. True
but rearrest rates are one concrete way to measure recidivism. Of course not every sex offender who re-offends gets arrested, then again not every car thief who steals another car gets arrested either. The fact is that most child molesters molest someone in their own family and, statistically, the vast majority of those that get convicted of it (and thus get put on "the list" which began this discussion)don't get convicted of it again. Which does back to my original point, which was there is very little rationality in freaking out over the list, when there are probably just as many or more creeps who have never been convicted to get on the list in the first place who are in our communities or in our families.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM
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11. Geez SoCal, it might have been the one night of the year those guys could get lucky!
:nopity:

The point above that many (far too many) of those listed were caught urinating in public. Of course, if you do it in front of a bunch of schoolgirls.....
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:39 PM
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14. YIKES!
A bunch in the city but the worst part is I was for a long time good friends with a man I found on the list! No wonder he has dropped out of sight.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:46 PM
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20. I found out that a lady I know has a son on that list..
I know she had problems with him and he was always in trouble .. I also remember her saying that her granddaughter had been molested.. 2+ 2 = Dad's in jail :( for the whole family..
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:15 PM
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39. Freaky isn't it?
I really liked this guy, we worked closely over many years in music. His life has been one set of horrible things over the last 5 years and now this.

That is really devastating for your friends family. Sorry to hear that. It does get passed along. Really sad.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM
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17. In my town, they're making sex offenders post a sign in front of their home.
I don't think that helps the fear factor.

The whole Megan's Law concept is ridiculous to me. Sorry, but it makes nobody feel safer - nor does it make anybody actually safer.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:50 PM
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22. Especially not the "sex offenders"
As with "homosexual," I think most people associate that term with "pedophile."

You can become a registered sex offender if caught having sex in public (parking) with your legal spouse.

The law is draconian.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:02 PM
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31. How about the 18 year old with the 16 yo girlfriend.
parents get pissed. kid is marked for life.

or the time I got cited for public urination in Texas (yes, drinking was involevd). If Megan's Law were in place then, I'd be on it.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:12 PM
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36. This is pretty much what I was thinking
This list isn't very helpful because it lumps people that are no danger to you or your kids with people that are likely threats. If you want to fear the neighbor that exposed themself in the park as much as the neighbor that was a convicted pedophile then you probably think going into Iraq makes sense.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:14 PM
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38. Bwahahahaha!!! I'm SOOOOO glad I'm kinda pee-shy. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:19 PM
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42. not necessarily so.. the "list" links to their actual offenses
Each one has a link to their actual offenses.so it's easy to determine if they "might" be "dangerous"


a random click brought this one up


Address: xxxxxxxxx
Zip code: 92554
Crime: Kidnapping/to Commit 261, 286, 288, 288a, 289
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 1952-11-01
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Black
Height: 5'10
Weight: 250 lbs.
Race: Hispanic


Offense Code
Description
207 KIDNAPPING/TO COMMIT 261, 286, 288, 288a, 289
261.2/261.3 PRIOR CODE-RAPE WITH FORCE AND THREAT
288a(c) ORAL COPULATION WITH PERSON UNDER 14/ETC OR BY FORCE/ETC
288a(d) ORAL COPULATION IN CONCERT WITH FORCE/ETC

.................................

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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:59 PM
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28. Cheap and easy decorations though
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:00 PM
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29. And SPOOKY!
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:57 PM
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25. Jesus.....how the fuck do you people live with so much fear.
Just walk along the sidewalk as your kids go from house to house. Problem fucking solved.

People are ridiculous. Everybody knows pedophiles give out the best candy anyways.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:09 PM
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34. Couldn't agree more
Watch your damn kids. Problem solved.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 12:58 PM
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27. Oh, that's okay
I'll just be bringing the old 9 mm along in case there's any trouble, but thanks for your concern anyway...

I ain't no Bambi Liberal :)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:08 PM
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33. My favorite trick or treat story
When I was in college, some friends had a little boy and he went trick or treating in their neighborhood while Mom stood on the sidewalk watching him. He came running back to his mom after going to one of the neighbors and he had his hand held out and yelled "Look, Mom, DRUGS!!"

One of their neighbors was handing out Flintstones vitamins.

To this day, my husband says every Halloween "Don't worry, honey, if we run out of candy, we can hand out vitamins!"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:11 PM
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35. My husband always took the boys out early
we would dump all the candy ..and the stuff i didn't want them to have, is what I would give out the rest of the night:)

Our next door neighbor used to give out toothbrushes ( they used to be cheap, folks)..and pencils & nickels

The kids would say.. "Let's don't go to the toothbrush house"
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:16 PM
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40. We had a friend who gave out quarters
There was literally a line in front of his door all night long.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:21 PM
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43. Back in OUR day, kids liked the nickels.. that's inflation for ya
:)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:18 PM
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41. Supposedly they are not allow to give out candy or have decorations
on their homes or the outside light on.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:26 PM
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44. If they have served their jail time, and are now free, how can anybody stop them from
excercising their freedom?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:27 PM
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45. Our town Trick or Treated this past Saturday night
We had a considerable amount of ghosts and goblins.
What surprised me was, that when I opened the door and turned my back to get candy, the kids were coming into MY house.
I didn't mind, but I had never seen kids do this before.:shrug:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 01:28 PM
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46. I have one
Not that I'm going trick-or-treating with my son :-(
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-31-07 02:33 PM
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50. I'm always surprised to see kids out unsupervised, then I remember that my parents
used to let us make up our own costumes and take off for hours trick or treating, and it wasn't that long ago.

We go in a big group here.
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