omigosh, lookee here, the nutjob conspiracy theorists got one right

London Police Found Guilty of Health and Safety Failures in Brazilian's Shooting Death

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BRITAIN_BRAZILIAN_SHOT?SITE=NVREN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

By JILL LAWLESS
Associated Press Writer


(AP) -- A jury on Thursday found London's police force guilty of violating health and safety laws in a high-stakes anti-terrorist operation that led to the shooting death of a Brazilian man mistaken for a suicide bomber.

London's Metropolitan Police was convicted of placing lives at risk and fined $362,000 in the operation that led to the death of 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes on July 22, 2005.

The forces was also assessed $798,000 in prosecution costs.

Prosecutors told the jury at London's Central Criminal Court that police killed de Menezes and put the lives of others at risk during their anti-terrorism operation because of flawed planning and chaos at headquarters.

The force had denied the charge, saying the killing was an error, not a crime. Police chief Ian Blair issued a statement after the verdict, expressing "my deepest regrets" over the killing.


I suppose if I had a longer lunch break I might search the records and identify all the sane adults who denigrated anyone who thought this might be a bullshit terror killing, but I suspect they know who they are. So a hearty screw you - you know who you are

Because this was never a conspiracy theory, and doesn't have anything to do with conspiracy theories. It was pretty apparent once the accurate reports started coming in that this was a case of screwup on the part of the police.

only after the drip drip drip of contradictory info did the rest of us realize they were lying. There is a group of people who simply will give the authorities the benefit of the doubt regardless of the circumstances. Others among us know what bullshit smells like.

check. I knew you were wrong, and you are. Within a day the cops came out and said it was a mistake. You should know what bullshit smells like, you spew enough of it.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0724-05.htm

From wiki

"The day after the shooting, the Metropolitan Police identified the victim as Jean Charles de Menezes, and said that he had not been carrying explosives, nor was he connected in any way to the attempted bombings. They issued an apology describing the incident as "a tragedy, and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."

The de Menezes' family condemned the shooting and rejected the apology. His grandmother said there was "no reason to think he was a terrorist." It was reported that the dead man's family were offered almost £585,000 compensation.<16>"

Yes within a day or so they admitted that de Menezes was not carrying explosives. They continued to lie about the circumstances of his execution, for example:

"The address in Tulse Hill was identified from materials found inside the bombers' unexploded rucksacks on Thursday and was immediately put under surveillance. When Menezes, dressed in baseball cap, blue fleece and baggy trousers, emerged from it at around 10am on Friday, he was followed. When he headed for the nearby tube station, officers decided to arrest him. An armed unit took over, ordering him to stop. He did not. His unseasonably thick jacket apparently prompted concern that he had explosives strapped beneath.

Witnesses said the man jumped the ticket barriers and was chased into the station, where he half-tripped boarding a train. He was allegedly pushed to the floor by armed police, then, according to eyewitnesses, an officer fired five shots into his head.

Police quickly discovered he did not have a bomb, but it was not until yesterday that he was cleared of any involvement.

Officers are trained to look for 'precursor activities' indicating a suicide bomber about to detonate his explosive, thought to include a look of agitation combined with a sense of disconnection from the world. The Met said Menezes' 'clothing and behavior' caused concerns."

All of that is total bullshit except that de Menezes lived at the wrong house and left for work on the wrong day.

de Menezes was never ordered to stop. He did not jump a turnstile. He did not act at all suspciously. He was not wearing an unseasonably thick jacket. He was followed into the train station (inexplicably as he could have been stopped outside the station) by a team trained in israeli counter terrorist 'krato' techniques, who then exercised the primary feature of those techniques, which is the unannounced multiple headshot execution of the victim.

You can pretend that what happened didn't happen but that does not change reality, just your perception of it.

but to state that it was a conspiracy, is absurd. Or do you really think it was a conspiracy to kill this young man from Brazil?

The only problem with the deliberate execution of innocents was that other innocents were put in danger.

Was there a conspiracy to make an example of a suspect? Yes. Hardly even a secret. If you train a team to use these techniques, you intend to conduct summary executions, and your intention is primarily to make a public example in order to terrorize a population into submission. Job done. Aided by the usual chorus.

Oh, and you of course can't even address the continued lies documented by the article you posted, which you continue to cite as evidence of 'no coverup' numerous times in this thread.

and of course, you're not taking into account the fact that this happened shortly after a bombing that killed over 50 people. You have zilch in the way of evidence to support your statement that the intention was to terrorize a population into submission.

:shrug:

pretty damn obvious..that poor guy! The overzealous London police with toady blur revving up the stakes, no doubt.

:eyes:



......back to the drawing board for you.

backatcha

Hint: erroneous news reports in the immediate aftermath don't count.

They stated he was wearing an unseasonably heavy coat that could have concealed a bomb;
That turned out to be UNTRUE.

They claimed he was confronted, and ignored orders to "stop";
That turned out to be UNTRUE.

They claimed he jumped a turnstile fleeing them;
That turned out to be UNTRUE.



The TRUTH is, an innocent man was minding his own business
when London police crept up and shot him 5 times in the head.

THEN they invented a BS story to justify the shooting;
A BS story that fell apart upon examination.

This wasn't EVER a conspiracy theory. So sorry about that. And if you'd followed the story, you'd know that.

a few facts came out.

After all, if you always beleive the Official Story then you must believe that Saddam actually had WMDs, that the Bush Administration had no knowledge of a terrorist threat before 9/11, and that these are two pics of the same guy:

about this story, CTers aren't usually right. But then it all depends by what you mean by conspiracy and conspiracy theories. There's a difference

don't forget how that one turned out to be right too.

Sid

:hi:

Sid

the Jews control the world's markets/media/governments/everything, we're going to secretly nuke Iran next week every single week, the Soviets are putting mind-control chemicals in our water, the government is spraying mind-control chemicals in the air, the Clintons killed Vince Foster, the Clintons are going to cede control of America to the UN, the homosexuals have infiltrated the media and are converting our children, Paul is Dead, the British Royal Family controls the world's markets, the government is working with aliens, the government secretly brought over Nazis to assume shadow control of the American government, McCain is a Manchurian Candidate, Iraq had WMDs but hid them/shipped them to Syria (that was indeed a CT), barcodes/UPCs are Satanic control devices, the military caused the tsunami, the Wingdings font proves that 9/11 was an inside job, KFC is owned by the Ku Klux Klan and makes black people impotent, AIDS is a CIA bioweapon against black people, Mexican immigrants are part of a secret plan to reannex the American Southwest, and the British Royal Family are actually reptilian humanoids.

Sure, yeah, conspiracy theories are always right.

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by the way, I never thought I would see that poster's name after I put her on ignore a year ago. :(

I definitely wouldn't want to disturb you :hi:

I bet that this would turn out to be a mistake somehow, and the bettee said we'd wait one month. I said one month was too short but gave in...some DUer got a star because I lost the bet. Good for him/her. I hope he's digging the star, but it does appear I've been vindicated!

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you know the rest.

Conspiracy theorists see a conspiracy in everything. But they conveniently ignore the majority of the time that their theories are completely unsupported by facts.

Sid

bonehead cops thought he looked like one of those wanted in association with the underground bombings, tailed him, and blew it big time by pumping the poor guy full of bullets. But there was no conspiracy to kill him. The next day the police issued a statement and an apology- not that that's any comfort. But it was not a conspiracy and the OP hasn't even bothered to tell us what the purported conspiracy was.

nightsticks. They knew that if they Rodney Kinged him, and he lived to be a sympathetic figure, they would not be invited to The Policeman's Other Ball. Therefore, it was grab your guns and shoot anyone that looks like this picture. this profile picture.

The cops that shot de Menezes were firearms carrying cops specifically deployed to the tube station after the surveillance team incorrectly identified him as a suspect in the bombings. Facts can be your friend.

if I knew how to use it.

There's no conspiracy with this shooting. Just a fuck-up.

Sid

They were nutjobs who theorized the guy was in a terrorist conspiracy.

Unfortunately, conspiracies are sometimes true.

Examples:

U.S. History of human experimentation (MKULTRA, The Tuskegee Syphilis Study...)
Pre-planned Iraq war (Downing Street Memo)
Iran-Contra Affair
U.S. Election Fraud
CIA drug dealers
9/11 commission coverup (Video: 9/11 Press for Truth)

From the internets---

"Immediately after Tesla's death became known, the Federal Bureau of Investigation instructed the government's Alien Property Custodian office to take possession of his papers and property, despite his US citizenship. His safe at the hotel was also opened. At the time of his death, Tesla had been continuing work on the teleforce weapon, or death ray, that he had unsuccessfully marketed to the US War Department. It appears that his proposed death ray was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma and was imagined as a particle beam weapon. The US government did not find a prototype of the device in the safe. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. The so-called "peace ray" constitutes a part of some conspiracy theories as a means of destruction. The personal effects were seized on the advice of presidential advisers, and J. Edgar Hoover declared the case "most secret", because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents. One document states that " is reported to have some 80 trunks in different places containing transcripts and plans having to do with his experiments <...>". Charlotte Muzar reported that there were several "missing" papers and property."

more accurately, what you're referring to is the automatic willingness of some to accept the official version of events and discount any skeptics.

What you are saying is you were skeptical of the "official" version of this man's guilt, as was I, as opposed to many who stood by the police account unequivocably.

The conspiracy, actually, was the attempted police coverup, that didn't last very long as I recall.

It is however nice to see justice served, however.

That was a shoddy cover-up of a fuck-up.

admitted that Jean Charles was not a terrorist suspect and was innocent.

were claiming that De Menezes was shot because he "found out that 7/7 was Mihop!!!!" Did that prove to be the case? No.