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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:44 PM
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We are already in Iran with forces, the war is already underway
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October 21, 2007

SAS raiders enter Iran to kill gunrunners Michael Smith


BRITISH special forces have crossed into Iran several times in recent months as part of a secret border war against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Al-Quds special forces, defence sources have disclosed.

There have been at least half a dozen intense firefights between the SAS and arms smugglers, a mixture of Iranians and Shi’ite militiamen.

The unreported fighting straddles the border between Iran and Iraq and has also involved the Iranian military firing mortars into Iraq. UK commanders are concerned that Iran is using a militia ceasefire to step up arms supplies in preparation for an offensive against their base at Basra airport.

An SAS squadron is carrying out operations along the Iranian border in Maysan and Basra provinces with other special forces, the Australian SAS and American special-operations troops.

They are patrolling the border, ambushing arms smugglers bringing in surface-to-air missiles and components for roadside bombs. “Last month, they were involved in six significant contacts, which killed 17 smugglers and recovered weapons, explosives and missiles,” a source said. It was not clear if any of the dead were Iranian.

Last week, Bob Ainsworth, the armed forces minister, said the Ministry of Defence was unable to say whether British troops had killed or captured any Iranians in Iraq. The ministry declined to comment, but privately officials insisted British troops never carry out hot pursuit across the border.

There have been persistent reports of American special-operations missions inside Iran preparing for a possible attack. But the sources said British troops were solely stopping arms smuggling.

The fighting comes amid an increase in US and British intelligence operations against Iran. Britain’s forces have more than 70 Farsi experts monitoring Iranian communications, and the intelligence is shared with the United States.

Seven American U2 spy planes have passed through RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire this year on their way to Akrotiri in Cyprus or Al-Dhafra in Abu Dhabi, the bases for flights over Iran.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2691726.ece
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:46 PM
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1. And the two fools remain as occupiers of the White House.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:51 PM
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2. Yes, it appears that our democratic leaders want it that way
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:56 PM
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7. How many fucking problems could we begin to solve if we just threw them the fuck out on the lawn?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:01 PM
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10. Bush and Cheney must be held accountable, impeached, arrested
...prosected, found guilty and sent to prison along with all those who supported their crimes
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:07 PM
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14. I'm not giving up on that even after they are out of office!
No matter how they get out!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:05 PM
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12. I only wish we could do a citizens arrest on them.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:06 PM
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13. Somebody PLEASE IMPEACH BOTH MADMEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
:nuke:
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:51 PM
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3. I hate to say this, but right now its what I am feeling... I hope this backfires and Russia...
does enter this Bullshit attack on Iran... And I further hope that they inflict serious hurt on the US... I am sick and tired of the US (don't give a shit who is squatting in the WH) inflicting their will on other nations whenever they feel like it... This would seriously wake the sleeping American idiots up ... God this is so Bullshit...
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:34 PM
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16. You want Russians to kill us?
holy shit
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:51 PM
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4. And what happens when crimes go unpunished?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:59 PM
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9. War crimes that go unpunished simply continue and grow bolder!
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Statement by H.E. Ambassador Ernst Sucharipa, Permanent Representative of Austria on behalf of the European Union

Fiftieth anniversary of the adoption of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide


New York, 2 December 1998
Mr. President,

1.I have the honor to speak on behalf of the European Union on agenda item 46(b) entitled „Fiftieth anniversary of the adoption of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide“. The Central and Eastern European countries associated with the European Union, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and the associated country Cyprus, as well as the EFTA country member of the EEA, Iceland, align themselves with this statement.

2.It is well known that this year marks not only the fiftieth anniversary of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, but also of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide which was adopted by the General Assembly 50 years ago on 9 December 1948, one day before the Universal Declaration.

3.The EU very much welcomes this opportunity to commemorate the adoption of the Genocide Convention. This is first of all a moment to honor the millions of victims of acts of genocide throughout history and to keep their memory alive. Under the horrifying impression of the Holocaust, the conviction that such events must never occur again was a crucial element in the foundation of the United Nations and guided the work of the Organization from its very inception. It was the same conviction that led to the inclusion of the promotion and encouragement of respect for human rights among the purposes of the United Nations.

4.As the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was the beginning of an impressive development of the body of international human rights law, the adoption of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide was an important first step towards the effective prevention and punishment of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

5.Towards the end of the Second World War the full horror of the extermination and concentration camps and the extent and the nature of the crimes committed became public knowledge. It was said that the world was confronted with „a crime that has no name“. While the Charter of the Nuremberg tribunal referred to the concepts of war crimes and crimes against peace and humanity, the notion of „genocide“ was only introduced subsequently. Genocide is a crime on a different scale than all other crimes against humanity since it implies an intention to exterminate, in whole or in part, a particular group. The international community therefore viewed it as a special priority to take steps to prevent acts of genocide for all time.

Mr. President,

6.The elaboration of a legally binding instrument for the prevention and punishment of genocide became a crucial standard setting initiative in the early work of the United Nations. The Genocide Convention constituted a major progress because of its general applicability: Under the Convention, all States parties are held to prevent and punish genocide in times of peace and war, in regard to the defeated and victors alike as well as in regard to nationals and non-nationals, no matter whether they are private individuals or constitutionally responsible rulers.

7.When the Genocide Convention was being prepared and discussed in the General Assembly the question of an international criminal tribunal to prosecute and punish acts falling under the Convention was high on the agenda. Some argued that the creation of such a tribunal was necessary to reach the high goals embraced by the Convention.

8.However, at that time the international community was reluctant to take such a step. A general reference to an „international penal tribunal“ to try persons charged with genocide was included in Article VI of the Convention, but no provision for the setting up of such a tribunal was made. Instead, the General Assembly, after unanimous adoption of the Convention, requested the International Law Commission to further pursue the question of the establishment of an international criminal court. The adoption of the Genocide Convention also had a catalytic impact on the further development of international humanitarian and criminal law.

Mr. President,

9.Today, we must acknowledge that despite the setting of a basic framework of human rights and humanitarian law 50 years ago, the world continues to witness massive violations of human rights, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. From Cambodia to the Balkans and the Great Lakes region in Africa, the international community has often failed to prevent and stop such acts. As the High Commissioner for Human Rights rightly pointed out, "we have lacked the means, the political will, and we have lacked an effective weapon against a culture of impunity."

10.A decisive step was taken by the international community shocked by the cruel and outrageous crimes committed in the course of the violent break-up of Yugoslavia and the genocide in Rwanda. The establishment of ad hoc tribunals to prosecute and try perpetrators of such crimes was and is a strong signal that individual responsibility is being taken seriously. The European Union will continue to support the work of the ad hoc tribunals and calls on all States to do likewise. The mission entrusted to these institutions must be fulfilled. The European Union also welcomes the establishment of a group of experts by the Secretary-General which is, inter alia, charged with exploring options for bringing to justice Khmer Rouge leaders for the most serious human rights violations committed in Cambodia in the years 1975 to 1979.

Mr. President,

11.In this fiftieth anniversary year, the idea of an „international penal tribunal“ contained in the Genocide Convention becomes a reality. The Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court adopted last July concludes a long and sometimes cumbersome process initiated fifty years ago. The EU strongly supported the creation of an international criminal court and is extremely satisfied with the outcome of the Rome Conference. Building on the experiences and achievements of the ad hoc tribunals on the Former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, the results obtained in Rome hold the genuine promise of achieving a world where the interests of peace and justice will not be seen as contradictory.

12.We should keep in mind that the purpose of the International Criminal Court will not only be to prosecute and punish those who commit the most heinous crimes, but, through its mere existence, to deter and prevent individuals from committing them in the first place. The earliest possible entry into force of the Statute of the International Criminal Court is therefore of utmost importance. The European Union reiterates its call on all States to sign and ratify the Statute as soon as possible.

13.Indeed, the Court will add a new dimension to international relations in general and to the effectiveness of international law in particular, by reinforcing individual responsibility. The time when cruelties and atrocities went unpunished must come to an end. Let us renew today this commitment that inspired the founders of the United Nations. Let us strongly reaffirm the „never again“ expressed fifty years ago.

Thank you, Mr. President.


http://www.un.int/france/documents_anglais/981202_ag_eu_dh.htm
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:53 PM
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5. soon we will see the reason for the surge.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:54 PM
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6. article is over a week old
shouldn't we have heard more about this already?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:57 PM
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8. I still appreciated the post thank you very much!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:03 PM
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11. I've been looking and was hoping to see more current links posted
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:16 PM
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15. They will make this escalate till a war ensues...then Bush will become dictator...just like them GOP
guys want....

Yup, they want/need a Hero...an they chose Bush....this is what they want and got....

Thank You GOP...ya have fucked us and yourselves all in one swoop....
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 10:59 PM
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17. Cambodia, anyone?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 01:57 AM
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18. Oh but we were never there.
:sarcasm:
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