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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:09 AM
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Why was the NSA trying to enlist the telecoms in a surveillance program before 9/11?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/057754.php

Why was the NSA trying to enlist the telecoms in a surveillance program before 9/11?

The National Journal's Shane Harris digs deeper into what has emerged in recent days about Qwest's role in that earlier NSA effort:

A former White House official, who at the time was involved in network defense and other intelligence programs, said that the early 2001 NSA proposal to Qwest was, "Can you build a private version of Echelon and tell us what you see?" Echelon refers to a signals intelligence network operated by the NSA and its official counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.

The NSA realized that it was blind to many of the new online threats and to who was using the privately owned telecom networks, and it thought that Qwest was in a position to help. The agency needed better intelligence in the face of a burgeoning Internet, and Qwest was then building a high-speed network for phone and Internet traffic that had caught the attention of senior intelligence officials. The NSA, in effect, wanted Qwest to be the agency's online eyes and ears.

Another source said that the NSA wanted to analyze the calls, e-mails, and other transmissions crossing Qwest's lines, to detect patterns of suspicious activity. Telecom carriers routinely monitor their networks for fraudulent activity, the former White House official noted, and so the companies "have an enormous amount of intelligence-gathering" capability. They don't have to target individual customers to "look for wacky behavior," or "groups communicating with each other in strange patterns." That information could augment intelligence that the NSA and other agencies were gathering from other sources, the former official said. . . .

Qwest's then-chief executive officer, Joseph Nacchio, rejected the NSA's request. "He didn't want to go along with that," and his refusal was not greeted warmly in the intelligence community, the former White House official said.


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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:12 AM
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1. And why isn't this a much bigger story?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:13 AM
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2. rove needed ammunition for his political elephant gun.
isnt it obvious they had (amd maybe still have) the intention of taking over completely.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:13 AM
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3. We know that Bushco rejected any notion of terrorism threats
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 11:14 AM by Gman
prior to 9/11. Clinton et al told them and even left them a plan telling them that terrorism would be their #1 concern. They completely rejected that. Therefore, that leaves only one thing that they could be using the telcos for... pure domestic surveillance of anyone that disagreed with them politically. There is no other reason.

That they rejected any threat of terrorism as a concern prior to 9/11 is in the record and undisputed.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:14 AM
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4. kpete posted recently that they were "in discussions" BEFORE 2001...
So let's ask ex-Prez Clinotn. If he wasn't aware, exactly WHO was negotiating this egregious violation of the Constitution? The shadow Gov't?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:19 AM
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5. "That would be telling - smirk" - Commander AWOL
"Only members of the occult republicon cabals get to know about that Top Secret shit _ smirki, smirk, smirk"

- Commander AWOL, Chief republicon occultist and deserter

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:24 PM
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6. About 3 years ago there was a buzz about some NSA
program. Able Baker? Project Able? I'm fairly sure Able was in the name. It was a data-mining project: Look through, among other things, phone records. Do linkage analysis on a massive scale using telecom records, financial records, travel records.

The upshot was that some people claimed to have, as part of the data-mining project, to have IDed at least some of the 9/11 folk. There was a two-pronged kind of outrage. First, that they did it at all--beginning in 2000 or 1999. Second, that nobody believed them.

I think that the first outrage stopped rather abruptly when it was realized that the project was stopped a few months afte * took office. It began before the 2000 elections. (And yes, there was also some sort of claim that */Cheney had engineered it under the Clinton/Gore watch.)

The second outrage mostly died down when nobody but the people claiming to have shown a poster with Atta's face on it could actually remember the poster, and the claimants couldn't produce any evidence, apart from their memories, that they had done so.

Now, this is 4 years back, so if I have it horribly bollixed up, well, then it's bollixed up.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:36 PM
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9. That was Able Danger!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:05 PM
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7. my nutty theory is that it was related to the upcoming crime called 9/11
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 06:12 PM
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8. let's see. I'd start looking at election fraud. then we know we have partisan operatives in
every level of every sector of federal government...
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 07:29 AM
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10. Here's the link to the National Journal article
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/071102nj1.htm

Read it, it's very long and informative.

And here's a pic of mr. Mischief, which I found while googling for background on this issue. I just had to post it, good grief ...
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