HOLY SHIT!!! Subpoenaed: Rice, Hadley et al. in espionage case!!!!

sicksicksick_N_tired

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:50 PM
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HOLY SHIT!!! Subpoenaed: Rice, Hadley et al. in espionage case!!!!

:rofl:

Oh, I am feeling very happy, right now!!!

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bdamomma

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:51 PM
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1. is this a new development.???

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sicksicksick_N_tired

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:52 PM
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2. Yes. Sorry. I'm looking for a link! A judge allowed the subpoenas in the AIPAC,...

,...espionage case.

:rofl:

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applegrove

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:53 PM
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3. Just announced on CNN. They said they'd be following the story.

What espionage case????

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sicksicksick_N_tired

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:56 PM
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4. H2Oman has a bunch of material on it. I hope he chimes in real soon. nt

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:02 PM
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15. post 6

:hi:

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H2O Man

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:19 PM
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42. Great news, eh?

I posted something before seeing this thread.

The case involves people who were involved in the Plame scandal -- small world! -- including Rice, Wolfowitz, Hadley, Grossman, and Armitage, and obviously the OSP.

There is some reason for concern that the Cheney administration will attempt to derail the court case in the very near future. They have to protect The Lie.

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:03 PM
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17. Here, the media does a great job of keeping stories from us

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Larry+Franklin+%2B+espionage

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applegrove

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:04 PM
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19. Thanks.

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slipslidingaway

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:56 PM
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37. My pleasure :) n/t

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Blaze Diem

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:58 PM
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5. This is precedent: Need to know more..is this new & for real..

pleeeeeease Let it be so.

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:58 PM
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6. Do you know how long I've been waiting for this? All info right here

Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:02 PM by seemslikeadream

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leftchick

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:09 PM
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22. a very long time

Thanks for the links SLaD!

:bounce:

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:12 PM
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25. FIVE FRICKING YEARS!!!!!

Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:14 PM by seemslikeadream

:hi:

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Swamp Rat

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:14 PM
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26. And you put up with a lot of ad hominem too.

:hug:

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:17 PM
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29. Oh brother you CAN say that again after the other night!

Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 02:17 PM by seemslikeadream

:hi:

I'm still waiting for apology, not holding my breath though :rofl:

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Swamp Rat

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:26 PM
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31. That was really uncalled for.

I didn't jump in because I saw it as a fight amongst my own friends - I was left speechless. I did, however, alert and it was locked soon thereafter.

Nothing useful came of that thread.

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leftchick

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:57 PM
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38. did she ever!

SLaD Rocks! :)

You too Swampy. :)

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:29 PM
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45. From a Buddist!!

:rofl:

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nadinbrzezinski

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Fri Nov-02-07 01:59 PM
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7. My, my they are fighitng back

bout bloody time!

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:00 PM
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11. E-S-P-I-O-N-A-G-E

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Stinky The Clown

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:00 PM
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8. Ah good. The Rice woman will finally have to tell the truth about SOMEthing.

She's a sleazy fucking liar.

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Atman

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:29 PM
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35. You're dreaming.

These people don't bow down to the whim of mere judges. Haven't you caught on yet? It's part of their "new reality," wherein only their own law matters. If Bush even allows her to appear, she'll merely claim some sort of privilege, and nothing will happen to her. It never does. Not to any of them. Some judge will have his kids threatened, or his plane will go down, or his career will be ruined, and everyone will forget about the war criminals. It's more conveeeeenient that way.

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WinkyDink

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:34 PM
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48. NO. WAY. Not even under oath. NEVER. She'll take poison first.

Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 03:35 PM by WinkyDink

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slipslidingaway

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:00 PM
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9. Big K&R thanks. n/t

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Contrary1

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:00 PM
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10. Link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21599734/

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seafan

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:01 PM
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12. The Larry Franklin/AIPAC espionage case. This day is improving rapidly. n/t

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seemslikeadream

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:01 PM
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14. Another "conspiracy theory" down the drain?

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seafan

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:09 PM
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21. Funny, that. Something is in the air today. And it's good.

:hi:

L'il Boots stomping his feet over Mukasey, his water project veto and those mean old people at MoveOn.org and Code Pink. And ABC's Jonathan Karl reporting loudly that his own report on conditions in Iraq was *reworked* by the WH before airing. And the WH has now admitted it and capitulated.

And now, this news.

Something is different. We've broken through a major fault line in Bush's Titanic.

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Basileus Basileon

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:01 PM
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13. Great news. Way to show some spine, Dems! nt

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Didereaux

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:03 PM
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16. YAAAAY, this will get to SCOTUS and.....

they will fuck up and THAT will open some more American voters eyes, and refresh election 2000!!!!!!

Hang in there guys, keep the paper flying!!!!

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bdamomma

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:04 PM
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18. oh whew baby let's get them.

mighty serious charges there!!!!!!!!!

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bonito

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:07 PM
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20. K&R!

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Blaze Diem

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:09 PM
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23. And this is part of what I just read..

Rice to face subpoena in espionage case
By MATT APUZZO Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 11/02/2007 11:45:38 AM PDT

WASHINGTON�Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other senior intelligence officials will be subpoenaed to discuss their conversations with pro-Israel lobbyists, a federal judge ruled Friday in an espionage case.
Lawyers for two former American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists facing espionage charges have subpoenaed Rice, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams and several others to testify at their trial next year. Prosecutors had challenged the subpoenas in federal court.

Lobbyists Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman have argued that the Israeli interest group played an unofficial but sanctioned role in crafting foreign policy and that Rice and others can confirm it. If they ultimately testify in court, the trial in federal court in suburban Alexandria, Va. could offer a behind-the-scenes look at the way U.S. foreign policy is crafted.

The lobbyists are accused of receiving classified information from a now-convicted Pentagon official and relaying it to an Israeli official and the press. The information included details about the al-Qaida terror network, U.S. policy in Iran and the bombing of the Khobar Towers dormitory in Saudi Arabia, federal prosecutors said.

But defense attorneys suggested that top U.S. officials regularly used the lobbyists as a go-between as they crafted Middle East policy. If so, attorneys say, how are Rosen and Weissman supposed to know the same behavior that's expected of them on one day is criminal the next?
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said the lobbyists have a right to argue that "they believed the meetings charged in the indictment were simply further examples of the government's use of AIPAC as a diplomatic back channel."
http://www.contracostatimes.com/politics/ci_7352738
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HereSince1628

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:09 PM
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24. Another case of greymail?

So now the gov't will step in and shutdown the case under some sort of protectoin of state's secrets, right?

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Blaze Diem

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:14 PM
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27. Disappointingly tru. Bush would like this to come to light while

he's Pres., so he can grant them all immunity.
I hope for this country's sake it all errs on the side of justice, as we use to know it before bush pirated the US Govt.

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Atman

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:34 PM
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36. DING DING DING!

I think all the cheering is downright comical. How many times have these people been "forced" to testify, only to tell the courts/Congress/whatever, to fuck off? Everything BushCo does is considered a "State Secret." If Condi is forced to testify, your kids will all die a horrible death at the hands of Usama Al Zawhwari Goldstein.

How many times do we have to keep falling for this shit? NOTHING is going to happen because Nancy has given Bush the "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.

.

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Warpy

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:16 PM
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28. Will they follow up when those pigs refuse to show up?

Or will it be Rove, Gonzales, and the rest of the cabal all over again, with toothless subpoenas issued, ignored, and never followed up?

Congress is going to have to start using its power of inherent contempt on these assholes.

That's the very least they can do.

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dflprincess

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:03 PM
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39. These subpoenas were okayed by a Federal judge for a criminal case in Federal court

we don't have to depend on Congress this time so there might be hope. We might even be able to hope that in an actual courtroom, the judge won't let her get by with perjury. :bounce:

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Me.

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:23 PM
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30. I See They've Dropped The Fiction

of them being journalists

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H2O Man

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:25 PM
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43. They had to.

Last summer, the judge ruled that the FISA documents indicated they were agents of a foreign power. They have to go with being agents of this government. The "journalist" shit was blown out of the water.

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seafan

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:26 PM
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32. Trial Date Set In Aipac Case----January 14, 2008

Trial Date Set In Aipac Case, August 2, 2007

A federal judge has set a trial date early next year for two former pro-Israel lobbyists under indictment for trafficking in classified information.

At a hearing Tuesday, Judge Thomas Ellis III said the ex-staffers for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, will go on trial beginning January 14, 2008, at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Va.

Messrs. Rosen and Weissman have pleaded not guilty to the charges. The trial has been repeatedly delayed as the prosecution and defense quarrel over what classified information can be disclosed as part of the case.

The two men were fired from their jobs at Aipac in March 2005 after federal investigators told the group that the men deliberately obtained classified information and relayed it to journalists and Israeli diplomats. The two were indicted in August of that year for violating the Espionage Act. However, they were not charged with spying per se.

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:27 PM
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33. BREAKING: RICE AND OTHER SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS TO BE SUBPOENAED (ABC News)

http://abcnews.go.com/newssummary

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Akoto

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:06 PM
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41. It's time for some Gonzales-style amnesia!

Q: "What information do you have on this espionage scandal?"

A: "I don't recall."

Q: "Where are you right this minute?"

A: "I don't recall."

Q: "What is your favorite color?"

A: "I'll look into that and get back with you sometime."

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Duppers

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Fri Nov-02-07 06:21 PM
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52. Yes, 15 of them....

Officials Facing Subpoenas in Spy Case
By The Associated Press � 2 hours ago

A federal judge presiding over an espionage trial approved subpoenas for the following current and former officials to testify about the U.S. government's use of a pro-Israel lobbying group in crafting foreign policy:

_ Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state

_ Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state

_ William Burns, U.S. ambassador to Russia

_ Marc Grossman, former undersecretary of state for political affairs

_ Lawrence Silverman, deputy chief of mission of the U.S. Embassy to the Slovak Republic

_ Matthew Bryza, deputy assistant secretary of state

_ Marc Sievers, political officer, U.S. Embassy to Israel

_ David Satterfield, senior adviser to the secretary of state and coordinator for Iraq

_ Stephen Hadley, national security adviser to President Bush

_ Elliott Abrams, deputy assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for global democracy strategy affairs

_ Kenneth Pollack, former director for Persian Gulf affairs for the National Security Council

_ Paul Wolfowitz, former deputy secretary of defense

_ Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense

_ Michael Makovsky, former employee of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Office of Near East and South Asia

_ Lawrence Franklin, former Department of Defense employee

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hz_nHr90Po-0jeobCOjS9S-Nex2gD8SLOGJO1

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Javaman

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Fri Nov-02-07 02:27 PM
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34. I'll believe it when I see it. she's blown off subpoenas before. nt

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msongs

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:06 PM
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40. gee wouldnt it be nice if dems actually enforced a subpoena now and then? nt

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Disturbed

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:26 PM
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44. These Subpoenas will not be "blown off".

This case may not even be resolved until Busholini leaves office. Even if there is a verdict of guilty it would be appealed. "No reason to get excited", said the joker to the thief." Bob Dylan

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NewJeffCT

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:33 PM
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47. These weren't issued by Dems, I believe

I think Franklin's lawyer got them through a judge.

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shenmue

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:30 PM
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46. Yeah!

Subpoena! Subpoena!

:party:

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-02-07 03:44 PM
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49. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you

I feel like the kid who went to school one day and made up for the semester after the links. Looks like the FBI has some issues to settle. Hoping to see Friday night KO and Bill Moyers comment, cause that's the best I'm gonna get.

You guys all rock.

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ClayZ

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Fri Nov-02-07 04:55 PM
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50. WoooooHoooo! Lock 'em up!

K and R

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benld74

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Fri Nov-02-07 06:03 PM
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51. YA know, I'm really to effin tired after so many years to care,,

right now. All the fircking damage these bastards have done, and all the time and effort it will take to even get close to what things were before. The hearing will be the same, I can't recall, etc etc.

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me b zola

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Fri Nov-02-07 06:51 PM
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53. k&r

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Kablooie

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Sat Nov-03-07 07:03 AM
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54. Yawn. Another crime to be ignored. This is really getting boring.

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