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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:02 PM
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Remember the guy in NY that was caught with an aviation radio after 9/11?
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=18990219&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=6

Inside Today's Bulletin

The FBI's Right To Threaten Torture

By: James Bovard, For The Bulletin
11/05/2007

A federal appeals court has concluded that an FBI agent must go to trial on charges he coerced a false confession out of a prime suspect in the 9/11 attacks. But the FBI still insists that its agent did nothing wrong. And the feds swayed the court to suppress that portion of a recent decision detailing how the FBI agent used the threat of torture to break an innocent man.

Abdallah Higazy, a 30-year-old Egyptian student, arrived in New York City to study engineering at the Polytechnic University in Brooklyn on Aug. 27, 2001. A U.S. foreign-aid program reserved and paid for his room at the Millennium Hilton Hotel, next to the World Trade Center. After the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center, Higazy hot-footed it out of the hotel. After the terrorist attack, the hotel was sealed.

Three months later, guests were allowed to retrieve their belongings. When Higazy went to the hotel on Dec. 17, he was arrested and accused of possessing an aviation radio. (A hotel security guard reported finding the radio in a safe in his room.) Higazy denied owning the radio. He was arrested as a material witness and locked up in solitary confinement.

Higazy wanted to clear his name, so he agreed to take a polygraph test. FBI agent Michael Templeton wired him up for the test but then proceeded to browbeat him for three hours until he finally admitted to owning the radio. Higazy said the FBI agent warned him, "If you don't cooperate with us, the FBI will ... make sure Egyptian security gives your family hell." The FBI refused to permit Higazy's attorney, Robert Dunn, to be in the room while he was given the polygraph. After the interrogation, Higazy was "trembling and sobbing uncontrollably," according to Dunn.

On Jan. 11, 2002, Higazy was indicted for lying to a federal agent. U.S. Attorney Dan Himmelfarb claimed that "the crime that was being investigated when the false statements were made is perhaps the most serious in the country's history. A radio that can be used for air-to-air and air-to-ground communication is a significant part of that investigation." The Washington Post noted that "federal officials paraded before the media as a terrorist." The feds never bothered checking with the U.S. foreign-aid program to find out whether Higazy's story about why he was staying at the hotel next to the World Trade Center was true.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:15 PM
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1. Damn. I used to have a handheld aviation radio.
Not that unusual in the first place. I'm a private pilot, and I carried it with me as a back-up when flying. It came in handy when both radios in the cockpit malfunctioned.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:24 PM
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2. This is important, especially right now. K&R to get this story to the greatest page
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:28 PM
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3. This story is disgusting...sloppy police work...deliberate lying...vicious threats...
...and then an attempted cover-up...

What country is this again?
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:02 PM
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5. RE; "What Country is this again?"...
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 02:02 PM by lazyriver
I've found myself asking that question at an ever increasing rate. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:59 PM
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4. Business as usual now
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 02:00 PM by Hydra
"We feel free to threaten you, torture you or execute you if we designate you as a terrorist"

And some people thought I was exaggerating what we were doing with our policies.
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on edit- removed the term "new" regarding our policies. This isn't new- the brazenness of it is.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:31 PM
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10. It appears to be trickling down.
How long before the local sheriff deputy is using the same tactics? Oh, wait...

-Hoot
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:06 PM
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6. Fear of being tortured is bad enough
but most people will do anything to keep their families safe.
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leftist_not_liberal Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:42 AM
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13. what we dont talk about when we talk about torture
June 12, 2005
Interrogating Ourselves
By JOSEPH LELYVELD


I. The Silence After Abu Ghraib
In order to get to the nub of the question of what we as citizens really expect and require of American interrogators facing supposed terrorists -- how far we're prepared to allow those asking the questions to venture into the dark realm of brutalization and coercion -- let's for argument's sake put aside the most horrific, shameful cases, those of detainees who died under interrogation: that of Manadel al-Jamadi, for instance, whose body was wrapped in plastic and packed in ice when it was carried out of an Abu Ghraib prison shower room a year and a half ago, where he'd been handcuffed to a wall; or Abed Hamed Mowhoush, who, elsewhere in Iraq, appears to have been thrust headfirst into a sleeping bag, manhandled there and then, finally, suffocated. By anyone's definition of torture -- even that of the Bush administration, which originally propounded (and later withdrew) a strikingly narrow definition holding that torture occurs only when the pain is ''of an intensity akin to that which accompanies serious physical injury such as death or organ failure'' -- these cases answer the question of whether torture has been committed by our side in what's called the global war on terror. No one steps forward to condone what's plainly illegal under United States and international law. And although we've seen no indication that blame will attach to any official or command officer at any level for these killings, there are small signs that conclusions have been drawn somewhere between the Pentagon and White House, signs of an overdue housecleaning, or maybe just a tidying up. By the coldest cost-benefit calculation, a dead detainee is a disaster: he cannot be a source of ''actionable intelligence,'' only fury. So there's now a new policy, ''Procedures for Investigations Into the Death of Detainees in the Custody of the Armed Forces of the U.S.,'' that was duly conveyed last month to the Committee Against Torture, a United Nations body, in a subsection of a longer report. The subsection's heading even carried a whiff of contrition. It was ''Lessons Learned and Policy Reforms.'' Also, the Pentagon has let it be known that it's preparing a new manual for interrogators that prohibits physical and psychological humiliation of detainees. What interrogation techniques it does allow are listed in a classified annex as, presumably, are any hints of what can happen when those techniques fail to produce the desired results. Can the detainee then be handed over to another agency, like the Central Intelligence Agency, that may not be constrained by the new directives? Or to units of a foreign government like the counterterrorism units now being financed and coordinated in Iraq by the United States?

In other words, if there has been a housecleaning, to how much of the shadowy counterterrorism edifice constructed since Sept. 11 does it now apply? The cases we know about, after all, are mostly old cases, even if we recently learned about them. We've been told little about what's now going on in interrogation rooms at Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib -- what the limits are now supposed to be. While Defense Department investigators are still kept busy looking into detainees' complaints of abuse in Iraq, it has to be acknowledged that we've yet to hear of any fatalities under interrogation in 2004 or 2005.

It has been more than a year now since we (and, of course, the region in which we presume to be crusading for freedom) were shown a selection of snapshots from Abu Ghraib with their depraved staging of hooded figures, snarling dogs and stacked naked bodies. For all the genuine outrage in predictable places over what was soon being called a ''torture scandal'' -- in legal forums, editorial pages, letters columns -- the usual democratic cleansing cycle never really got going. However strong the outcry, it wasn't enough to yield political results in the form of a determined Congressional investigation, let alone an independent commission of inquiry; the Pentagon's own inquiries, which exonerated its civilian and political leadership, told us a good deal more than most Americans, so it would appear, felt they needed to know. Members of Congress say they receive a negligible number of letters and calls about the revelations that keep coming. ''You asked whether they want it clear or want it blurry,'' Senator Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, said to me about the reaction of her constituents to the torture allegations that alarm her. ''I think they want it blurry.''

One result is that we've insulated ourselves from the really pertinent, really difficult question: How do we feel about coercive techniques that are commonly, if somewhat cavalierly, held to fall short of torture? These methods are variously known as C.I.D. (for ''cruel, inhuman and degrading'' treatment) or H.C.I. (for ''highly coercive interrogation''); or, in blander Pentagon-speak, ''counterresistance strategies'' (ranked in order of severity in two groups, Class II and Class III); or ''professional interrogation techniques,'' to use the postmodern gloss recently offered by the director of Central Intelligence, Porter J. Goss, to describe ''waterboarding'' (a refinement of the ancient practice of water torture, with which American troops first experimented a hundred years ago on Philippine insurgents). All these terms are sometimes loosely subsumed in opinion articles under the heading ''torture lite'' (though you might wonder what's so ''lite'' about waterboarding). None of them would be remotely legal in an investigation of an American on American soil.

the other 90% of this article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9504E0DD1238F931A25755C0A9639C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:40 PM
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7. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
He made false statements under threat of torture and incarceration, but they're going after him for making false statements under threat.

USA!!!! USA!!!! USA!!!!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:56 PM
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8. i remember reading
here on DU in fact that a pilot came forward months afterward looking for the hand-held radio he had left at the hotel! That's why Higazy was released, and i believe he said he will be suing!


someone have the link?


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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:00 PM
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9. here it is...
from the article you cited:


"The prosecutorial celebration flopped three days later when an American pilot showed up at the Millennium Hilton Hotel and asked for the aviation radio he had left in his room when the hotel was evacuated on 9/11. It soon became apparent that the hotel security guard (a former cop who had been fired by the Newark Police Department) had lied about finding the radio in Higazy's room. The case collapsed and, a few days later, Higazy was awarded $3 for subway fare and released from jail. The FBI conducted an internal investigation and absolved Templeton of any wrongdoing."


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:05 PM
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11. You have a great memory
That detail had been washed away from my brain.

From what I had posted it appeared he did have the radio.

Thank you for that detail.

Don
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:07 PM
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12. Correction to the Subject Line: The radio did not even belong to the guy
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 04:09 PM by NNN0LHI
See post # 9.

Sorry for my screwup. I should have read the entire article before posting to avoid things like that.

Don
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