Here's the Exact Gore Quote on "Today Show," this a.m., and why it gives me hope...

Gore gave a slight chuckle of frustration or maybe exasperation and then said:


"I have no plans to be a candidate, myself and I certainly have no plans to go back into government service in any other position." (emphasis mine on "certainly")


(To my way of viewing it it seemed he definitely ruled out any role in any other candidates administration if they became President...but was not definitive other than "no plans' to be a candidate. I think he's still thinking about it. That makes me hopeful)

listen here at end of the snip:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67293

:hug: The hug is because I know you are hoping for the best. But he said what he said. Trying to parse his statements or derive meaning is not going to change the fact that he has made no move, no hint, no suggestion of entering into this fray. He seems to be quite content doing the work he believes is necessary right now. And it is work he cannot do if he is busy playing politics.

He knows this is an issue. He knows there are those who continue to place hope in the fact that he has not absolutely, unequivocally ruled out running for President in 2008.

And I think he should either say a definitive yea or nay on the subject. Once he says nay, if that's the case, people will leave him alone and he can concentrate on what's important to him, and the others can spend their time supporting a candidate who is actually in the running.

If he decided to run, it would change the landscape greatly, but at this point I think he's doing a disservice to those who support him, because they are essentially wasting their time if he has indeed decided absolutely to not run.

but Edwards is going to have to work for that support.

:shrug:

But I do hate to see people waste their time.

After all, time is all any of us truly have to offer while we're on this world, is it not?

:hi:

This is like Bush demanding that Saddam coughs up weapons he didn't have.

He isn't running. The pot has been filled.

You people are really fishing. He's not running. What exactly do you need him to say before you give up? "I would rather be waterboarded than run for president". How's that?

:D Short of a definitive...i still have hope.

You see where I'm going?

I see people trying to read yes's into Gore's no's. Unless someone can come up with a single shred of evidence that Gore is lying about not wanting to run I'm going to take his word for it.

The OP is 100% correct. Notice I didn't say he could be correct? There's a reason. COULD BE implies the possibility that he also could be incorrect. Because the op is not incorrect; Gore directly and unequivocally ruled out being part of anyone else's administration. There is simply no parsing of that sentence...he said "certainly" as in "being certain." But on the question of his candidacy, he actually gave those who support him even MORE hope than his previous non-denials by adding the word "myself" to the "I have no plans."

Deny the rules of speech all you want, but "I have no plans myself" could actually indicate someone else is planning his candidacy as we speak, setting up the aparatus, getting the timing just right. Again, having no plans is simply not the same as saying I WILL NOT. House plans change. Saturday night plans change. Health care plans change. Plans are not immovable. But "certain" has a different meaning.

I'm not trying to say he will or won't run, that is not my point here. My point here is that part of the reason we keep getting fucked over by politicians is because so many people haven't learned how to read weasel words. It's what Hillary is doing now by refusing to answer questions by tap dancing around with her words.

If you want to deny something, you DENY IT, you don't say "maybe." There is even a term for it..."A Shermanesque statement," which is an absolute, 100% unequivocal statement. So, the op has every reason to hold out hope, while those who are already on board with other candidates have reason to try to make everyone else think the op is delusional.

I have no plans to make any more DU posts today. Doesn't mean I won't though. ;)

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:thumbsup:

They almost have a panicky smell about them, the higher Al Gore's popularity goes, the more desperate their pleas to stop.

That doesn't mean he's not going to eat that night, nor does it mean he won't be eating in The White House.

that will change his plans. I'm convinced of that.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/presprim2008/candidatesfiled.htm


I've let go of the idea of a Gore run, reluctantly.

Dem Party has a division. And, the division is amognst those who VOTE. Neither Hillary nor Obama are clear winners with this division as the other primaries come into play. There's alot of Dem anger boiling out there under the surface and above the surface.

for the rest of us, and I would like to cast my vote for Gore.

But, he's gotta get on some ballots if its going to happen. I know NY and CA have Draft Gore efforts, do you think he is going to leave it to the Draft Gore's to do the paperwork in enough states to make it possible?

I think he's torn about a decision and wants to see how it goes with Hillary, Obama and Edwards. So, that's why he hasn't pulled the plug on the efforts to draft him and get him on the ballot.

Democratic Candidates on the Ballot

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 31, 2007

TALLAHASSEE - The Florida Democratic Party's State Executive Committee on Sunday approved eight Democratic Presidential candidates for Florida's 2008 Presidential Preference Primary ballot.

"Florida Democrats will vote on January 29th, and we're going to make it count," Florida Democratic Party Chair Karen L. Thurman said. "We've got the best, most qualified, most dynamic candidates. The Republican field of flip-floppers, panderers and philanderers doesn't stand a chance in November against any one of the Democratic candidates."

The following candidates have been sent to the Secretary of State for the January 29th ballot:

Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (U.S. Senator, Delaware)
Hillary Clinton (U.S. Senator, New York)
Christopher J. Dodd (U.S. Senator, Connecticut)
John Edwards (former U.S. Senator, North Carolina)
Mike Gravel (former U.S. Senator, Alaska)
Dennis J. Kucinich (U.S. Representative, Ohio)
Barack Obama (U.S. Senator, Illinois)
William "Bill" Richardson III (Governor, New Mexico)


# # #

:shrug:

one to "write in." But, I understand that Florida is "different in many ways." :-(

The main difference is that write-in candidates do not have to pay a filing fee (although Presidential candidates do not either).

Same with Michigan.

I have a bridge to sell you.

I suspect if Al does run he will plan a write-in campaign in those states.

rather than "rubber stamp" if we so choose with "write in candidate." :shrug:

your optimism. If he said he will not serve in any other position in govmt, then that means he isn't interested in serving for another administration's team.

I see this as positive. First if he wasn't, why his stance on issues up at current.com? Just saying....I believe he is running a different campaign. Remember, he is a visionary.

Thanks Koko01, for picking up the hint.

:banghead:

I intend to vote for Kucinich in my State Primary because he's the candidate who comes closest to representing the kind of President I feel we need in values ...if Gore doesn't come in at some point. My primary is not until MAY... And, I will write Gore in for November.

State Dem Candidates who running for local office...plus we have a Senate Seat up which is very important.

(but without talking about you behind your back (ha ha!), but it's so frustrating that so much effort and emphasis is being given to someone who doesn't want to run. When I voted on the DFA poll today and saw he's in 2nd, I could just scream! I just wonder at the energy being used up for this. He has said in so many different ways and to so many different people that he doesn't want the job, why don't we work for someone who does?

Two of the things I've learned about politics in the small amount of time that I've been involved are a) it's not easy, at all, and b) the waters of politics are muddied and murky. The back and forth in hopefulness and hopelessness is so tiresome but I'm determined not to give up. Every time something happens to make the going harder and the water that much murkier it is bad on our effort and the unknown about Gore is really hurting us a lot. If he were to declare an interest in being president, I'd be all over him so fast Tipper would have a restraining order out against me. He doesn't so we've got to put our attention toward those who do.

I'm figuring that getting "RID of Liddy Dole"...is a VERY GOOD THING FOR DEMS..

The Presidential...after getting myself out there on the STREETS FOR KERRY/EDWARDS (even though Edwards dissed his "fund raisers' who got him his Senate Seat for NC...when he REFUSED TO MEET with US...in the RUN UP to IRAQ INVASION...maybe leaves a bitter taste in my mouth about him. I like him okay...like his WIFE BETTER...but who knows what that is.

Anyway...THIS ELECTION ...is MY VOTE FOR MY CONSCIENCE! I will vote for Kucinich in PRIMARY and WRITE IN GORE for NATIONAL ELECTION.

I can't stand any more of this...I worked my BUTT OFF....I"m TIRED! I want to vote for WHAT I BELIEVE IN ...not WHO ...CAN BE ELECTED. OUR DEMS HAVE LET US DOWN...I'm an older DU'er..seen it all ...I want to vote for who values what i value... That's important to me.

He picked out the same words: "certainly have no plans to go back into government service in any other position."

Whatever......

I watched it. But I admit I can hear him crystal clear when it comes to global warming, but I hear what I want when he talks about running. I'm just not ready to give up hope.

you can't blame him for saying no thanks.

He has made enormous inroads outside of politics.

Why he should run? Because of those inroads "being green" has spread dramatically- to further the cause - the presidency would be perfect for him now.