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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:12 PM
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Kyl blocks Schumer....US Attorneys Purge
Sen. Schumer issues a further warning to the White House over the US Attorney purge as Sen. Kyl blocks efforts to repeal the USA Patriot Act provision giving the White House the ability to appoint US Attorneys without Senate approval.

(ed.note: We've got a lot more coming on the significance of the firing of US Atty Carol Lam in the midst of her historic indictment of the #3 man at the CIA. We'll be bringing you this shortly. There's much more there than people realize.)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/012497.php
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:19 PM
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1. Wow... I'm continuously amazed at this administration
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 06:21 PM by Gonnabuymeagun
By this point I shouldn't even find myself surprised at the new and horrible things I learn about them, but I did not know that the act gave them the right to kick out US attorneys, and they had this in pre-production before 9-11. What forsight. Wouldn't want any attorneys to investigate would they?

on edit: It might have just been something I forgot.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:26 PM
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2. I'm guessing come 2008 Kyl better be looking for a new line...
of work.... One can only hope that his electorate will be looking for someone else to vote for.... What an asshole this guy is.

ww
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:28 PM
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4. The fine people of AZ just re-elected him in 2006.
:puke:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:17 PM
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7. Could you paint a little wider please...
or provide another coat with your brush? Nice lumping of everyone in AZ for your disdain. :thumbsdown:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:41 PM
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8. How's this?
The fine people of my former district (AZ-05) just ousted JD Hayworthless. :applause:

Hopefully, vile Kyl will get his walking papers next time around.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:27 PM
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3. is it 2008 yet?
seriously.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:41 PM
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5. My letter to Kyl... as an AZ constituent
Dear Sir:

Your block of the Patriot Act repeal today signifies your desire to countermand the will of your electorate. You sir, are enabling a corrupt government to appoint U.S. attorneys at will.

Please explain to me your rationale for allowing the continued arbitrary dismissal of the aforementioned attorneys when their performance has not been deemed unsatisfactory. Or if it is unsatisfactory -- what criteria is being used to make that determination. Why is this a secret?

What benefit to the citizens of the U.S. is achieved by such actions? Your support of the undermining of our constitutional rights is appalling. Who is it that you serve sir?

With great disappointment,
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:47 PM
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9. Nice! I hope you hear back from him.
He ignored all my correspondence. When I called his office, rather than jot down my comment and promise to pass it on, his staffers argued with me. x( Hayworthless and McCain at least responded, even if they disagreed with me. I will never understand why vile Kyl was re-elected. He's a useless piece of shit.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:58 PM
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10. "I will never understand why vile Kyl was re-elected." Well maybe
voting machines have something to do with his "win".
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:09 PM
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12. Vile, corporate-owned, POS is correct.
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 08:10 PM by BushDespiser12
Thanks for your clarifying responses. Sometimes discussion boards fail to convey the correct message. :9 :hi:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:48 PM
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15. sorry, but, this was a mistake.
you assume that there is an iota of humanity, shame, responsibility and honesty in the creep.
you assume incorrectly.
you assume that Kyl has any concern about upholding his oath to the constitution.
you assume incorrectly.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:57 PM
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23. I give.
No reply, but... Ah fuck, no but, he is as you say.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:47 PM
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6. Wilkes indictment is really bad news to this WH.
There is a lot of corruption going on here and MZM had contracts on drumming up the Iraq intel, IIRC. This guy is as corrupt as they come. The WH is getting desperate to keep political control of this investigation...hence, Lam's firing. Kyl is being a loyal Party hack. He knows this damages the entire Syndicate if this gets out of control.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:04 PM
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11. This is a lot of sour grapes
The Dems didn't have to let this provision become law in the first place, but they were too GUTLESS to take a stand- even though it would have been popular with the electorate.

I blame the Democratic "leadership" 100% for this fiasco.

In addition, do they really think Bush will sign this bill?

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:12 PM
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13. It is an attempt to take a 'first' step. It has to start somewhere
and the sooner the better.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:25 PM
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14. It's all fluff
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 08:25 PM by depakid
It goes nowhere with the force of law. The time has come and gone where anything could have been done with respect to this eminently foreseeable situation.

At best, the "leadership" was negligent- but to be honest, I just think that Senate's got about 8-10 outright cowards and/or far right enablers who knew damn well what they were doing.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:28 PM
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16. If you'll check the history of this bill, you'll find that Specter slipped it in at the last minute.
For some bizarre reason, it appears even Specter denied knowing that he put it in there, and apparently no one else knew about it. Specter finally owned up to it, after his staffer agreed it was his idea. (I guess Specter forgets some of his back-door deals with Gonzales and bush. No one has learned why Specter did it, he won't give a reason.)

Look through the archives of http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com and you'll find the story in there somewhere.

Don't blame this on the Dems. Look at how often we're appalled and amazed by the new lows that Repubs stoop to in their never-ending delusional support of bush. Dems can't be expected to think of every single thing the Repubs will sneak in, because we just don't think in the same Constitution-shredding, anti-democracy way that the Repubs think.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:48 AM
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17. The entire bill should have been scuttled
This last bit of hijinx -well, that's par for the Republican course, and like I said- at best, the Democratic leadership was negligent in not seizing on it to put a stop to the lunacy of the so call "patriot" act.

WTF do we pay these people for, anyway? To let the far right abuse us over and over and over-

Simple due diligence, not to mention political fortitude would have prevented this.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:13 PM
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19. Did you research how it got in? Did you go to talkingpointsmemo?
The whole story is there.

There was nothing for the Dems to "seize" because it was a last-minute, buried item. No one had the slightest inkling it was there, and even Specter had forgotten about it.

This is why we need total transparency when legislation is passed with such grave implications. Each item, one at a time, read on the Senate floor. No tricks, no deceit.

Ten Senators did not vote for the renewal of the Patriot Act, which is (I believe) where that provision was inserted. My Senator, Ron Wyden, a Democrat, was one of those ten. I haven't found a list of all the ten, but odds are very good they are all Democrats.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:16 PM
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20. It also makes you wonder how much other dangerous "pork" has been added to bills...
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 12:18 PM by calipendence
... that we all haven't noticed yet, and perhaps Bushco is utilizing those fine points under the radar now like they've been trying to get away with earlier with the attorney's firings being done quietly up until recently.

This IS a criminal operation and needs to be stopped in its tracks NOW! We need to get impeachment investigations going in overdrive now! We should start by serving up articles of impeachment on Gonzales NOW and get him out of the way ASAP! We don't even need a super majority in the Senate to punt his * out!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:42 PM
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21. That's all well and good
but that doesn't change the fact that the aside from Wyden (my Senator- Yay) and 9 others, the rest of party and the "leadership" sold us down the river on an unpopular law.

:wtf:

The could have at least tried to filibuster. But they didn't- and you can see what their cowardice has cost us.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:48 PM
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22. The refusal of the Dems to filibuster ...
... is one of the reasons they are perceived as weak and enabling of the Repubs' agenda.

We need 60 good Dem Senators and a Democratic president to do some serious cleaning up, but the damage between now and then will be ghastly.

Check out Wyden on Wikipedia and what he had to say about repealing the *gag* Patriot Act. He can be very compelling. If only he hadn't voted to enable bush's Medicare debacle. :(

I love what Jon Tester had to say about it. He was asked if he would strengthen the Act, and he said, "Strengthen it? I'm going to try to get rid of it!" (paraphrasing)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:56 AM
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18. Dianne Feinstein's speech to the Senate floor yesterday!

Not normally a big fan of DiFi, I have to give her credit where credit is due. Nicely done!

Just went up here:

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-19810.html

Congress : Senator Feinstein Delivers Speech on Senate Floor Highlighting the Recent History of U.S. Attorney Firings
Posted by Patriot on 2007/2/16 15:11:00 (14 reads)
Congress

February 15, 2007, Washington, DC –U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today delivered a speech on the Senate floor highlighting the recent history of U.S. Attorney firings and calling for passage of legislation that would require Senate confirmation of all U.S. Attorneys. This legislation was approved in Senate Judiciary Committee last week.

...

The following is Senator Feinstein’s statement as delivered on the floor:

Mr. President, I thank the Senator from New York for holding the hearing in his subcommittee, for his leadership, for understanding what is at stake, and for being willing to be out in front on doing something about it.

What I want to do for the American public is lay out the history of this particular issue and place it in context.

Unbeknownst to any of us, in March 2006, in the PATRIOT Act reauthorization, a provision was included that allows the Attorney General to appoint an interim U.S. attorney for an indefinite period of time. You might ask, what is wrong with that? What is wrong is that it avoids Senate confirmation. Prior to this change, the law stated that the Attorney General could appoint interim U.S. attorneys but only for 120 days. After that time, the authority to appoint an interim U.S. attorney would fall to the district court. Why? Because that provided an incentive to the administration to present a U.S. attorney nominee to the Senate for hearing, for questions, for review, and for a vote on confirmation.

...


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