Can we change the name of DU? Over 100 Dems in the house Voting to TABLE H.R.333; I don't feel like

A Dem anymore.

Kucinich up for interview on C-span.

:rofl:

Were it not for him and his short-sighted supporters, we would have had a President Gore, and not a President Bush.

They are the traitors.

They have betrayed the country. We keep hearing apologists saying that they are acting like politicians. Balony. The minute they took the oath of office -- to uphold and protect the Constitution -- they stopped being politicians, and became members of the House of Representatives.

Shame on them. Thet have betrayed their oath.

the question is whether they are or not. It also is an open question how smart they are for handing their power over to Bush and Cheney.

Just the same as my voter registration which I changed a little while back.

and he represents the only known state in the country where over 60% are in favor of impeachment. I wish he'd cosponsored HR 533 but he's still a better person and far more of a progressive than Paul will ever be.

ron paul is the proverbial stopped clock.

Coulda fooled me.

A whole hoard last minute switching ... shows that the OVERWHELMING majority of the People detest Cheney. Only with that appreciation does this vote make sense.

Very important.

I suppose some might weigh in to claim it's partisan hypocrisy ... or political triangulation in 'swing' districts. All manner of fictitious rationales might be projected, I guess.

The last minute vote-switching now has MORE GOPhers voting against tabling than for tabling.

They think they could use it to their advantage against Dems.

They're playing a game of "chicken" with vote-switching.

Why are our people not splashing this all over the news. Our strategists are disasters.

This was a moment to appreciate. Here's my interpretation:

REMEMBER: This is NOT a vote to impeach. This is a vote to table or not. They would, if not tabled, refer it to committee - the House Judiciary (Conyers).

The GOP turned to "I dare you!" What started as a cover against supporting the most UNPOPULAR VP in American History is now a GOP confrontation with the Democrats ... and can ONLY be based on the GOP believing the Democrats don't have the spine or the fortitude to pursue this.

This is a "put up or shut up" moment ... where the poltical spinelessness of the left is being called out.

Which is why our Democrats better start spinning "Republicans Vote to Impeach" - or get spun.

If we were smart, we would rededicate this website to replacing our DINOs with real DEMS after we get Bush the fuck out.

That means that we put our efforts into highlighting campaigns of insiders and promoting dem candidates to challenge them.

For the most part, Dem appears to = Rep.

Kucinich is a true Progressive.

The Republicans had a failed impeachment and it didn't do them any good. It's absolutely pointless to walk into failure.

From Democratic(party)Underground to

democratic (principle) Underground

Although I like CU - Constitutional Underground - even better.

Today's vote to table H.Res 333 was the final straw for me- although many individual Democratic politicians serve our interests well, the Democratic Party, as an organization, as an institution, has ceased to serve the public's interest, has ceased to protect the Constitution.

If this board were to truly function as an "underground" organization, in opposition to the status quo, DC insider DNC, and work to dismantle the current party by using grassroots Lamont vs. Lieberman efforts to defeat every last one of the Vichy Dems who continue to enable fascism in the US, then I would support keeping the capital "D" in DU.

That would require a re-visioning, a re-crafting of the mission of this forum...

Skinner?