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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:28 PM
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I've come full circle on impeachment again.....
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 09:31 PM by Flabbergasted
The status quo is sometimes a good thing. When things are going, for the most part, fine. When there is a good solid balance in government.

Now is not the case.

Although I can understand the impracticality of impeachment considering how long till the next election, the practicality of effective realistic government is calling. And it stems from two things for me. These are the....

#1. MoveOn Condemnation

#2 Pete Stark threatened condemnation.


Those were our voices. And these two congressional actions have caused me to withdraw my support for the Pelosi, Hoyer "strategy".

We don't just want to win next year. We want our democracy back. We want out congress people to be accountable to us. What a sham victory we will hail if the end result is a president who thumbs his/her nose at our desires once again like Congress has done.

I want to see another Impeachment fiasco. I want a well planned, thought out, impeachment fiasco that stretches government away from the status quo. Democrats SHOULD NOT BE EMBARRASSED BY CHENEY'S CRIMES. We must not give the next president the luxury of committing the same crimes; or excusing the lasts.

Impeachment YES.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:30 PM
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1. "full circle again"?
Man, you must be getting pretty dizzy by now.

I say we just storm the fuckin' Versaille.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:32 PM
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2. It's not falbbergasted's fault. It's that our Commander in Chief keeps saying we
Have turned the corner.

We have turned the corner so often we have been right here about three times before!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:33 PM
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3. Nice guitar. Classical. nt
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 09:34 PM by Flabbergasted
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:55 PM
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9. Of all the torments I endure
sinc ethe stroke made my right hand numb, full of odd pain and a bit spastic.

Is staring at my 1904 Washburn parlor classical, my self built vihuela, and my lute.

I pray that someday stem cell research will give me back Sor, Narvaez, and Dowland.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:59 PM
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11. Wow!!!! 1904 Washburn. That gives me shivers.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 10:07 PM by Flabbergasted
edited. Fernando Sor, Luys de Narváez?: had to look that up.

I had a teacher, old hippy lady, who played an 1890's Martin parlor.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:08 PM
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12. I highly recommend the 20 studies
between them, they beautifully teach every technique worth mastering on the classical guitar.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:18 PM
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13. OK, I have recently lost most of the motion in my right hand.
And I am sitting here, longingly looking at my 1864 Washburn "New Model" and the only known existing Geo. Washburn tooled leather coffin case.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:50 AM
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15. You have my entire sympathy.
and I mean that sincerely.

I hope therapy and time give you enough back.
There is a link between a guitar and the hand that plays it.
May yours play again. That is my hope.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:56 PM
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14. I don't know anything about Narvaez or Dowland but here is a bit of
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:55 AM
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16. Thank you.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:09 AM by realpolitik
Luis Narvaez, 16th C master of the Vihuela di Mano. Author of the Delfin de Musica.
Here is a picture of one of the ones I made.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameraobscura/71060742/

John Dowland, the greatest of all Lute composers.

Their music is luminous, and they are masters of form and color.

Here is julian bream playing one i used to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukQnRDTgcuI
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:03 PM
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17. Do you mean the guitar or the song is one you used to play?
Really nice work.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:33 PM
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23. Sorry
I meant that I used to play fantasia X qui contrahaze los harpe de Ludovico.
Only a bit slower than that.

Alonzo de Mudarra was an amazing composer.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:15 PM
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22. Loving your work. And the
Orpheus on a Dolphin - that was a great touch.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:36 PM
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5. I'll talk to my wife but she always says no. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:34 PM
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4. Yes, that is the whole reason for the constitutional remedy of
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 09:34 PM by mmonk
impeachment. So the next president (or government official) or any thereafter will not have the luxury to commit the same crimes or any other. It is our safeguard and if it is abandoned as it has been so far, the bar to tyranny has been lowered forever.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:42 PM
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6. His being elected was Impeachable , and has pushed the envelope ever since ...
his Going to war , his Adjusting the Constitution and the general Misanthropy he has generated is Impeachable ,but has been swept under the rug ,or should I say Table.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:45 PM
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7. While the Clinton fiasco did not suceed in
keeping politicians for trolling for blow jobs, or lying about marital infidelity, this impeachment will shake the tree full of rotten fruit down to it's roots in the soi-disant free market fascists, and it will rain down on pols and ceo's of all stripes and parties.

And I say bring it on.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:54 PM
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8. Hey dude. I must say that the last 10 months have convinced me that I was
completely right in my disdain for the Democratic Party all those years. They have proved themselves to be only a modicum less reprehensible than the Republiks.

George Bush embodies the very reason that the Constitution includes impeachment proceedings, and the fact that these shitheels adamantly refuse to do their duty only demonstrates the utter futility of hoping for any "political remedy" to our collapse.

Nothing short of bloody revolution will change our course.



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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:57 PM
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10. Never stop believing in miracles my friend. nt
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:04 PM
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18. Maybe they really DON'T want to win.
After all, who wants to buy a house that's on fire?

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:06 PM
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19. Forget it-DLC traitors fight Impeachment supporters harder than they ever DREAMED of fighting Bush.
To support impeachment is to be attacked by the leadership of your own party- not just attacked, but attacked and roadblocked more than Bush himself is attacked & roadblocked...
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:09 PM
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20. How much sympathy for the DLC do Steny and Nancy have? nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:13 PM
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21. The question is whether they agree with Bush & the DLC on impeachment. They do.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:17 PM by Dr Fate
Meanwhile, they disagree with the DEM base on impeachment.


Besides, I would have put "DLC/centrists" in my heading had there been room.


Bottom line- Nancy & Steny agree with Bush/DLC/"Centrists" on impeachment-and have agreed to fight the base against it and protect their preisdent from it.

I dont know hhow much "sympathy" they have for the DLC as an org- but I do know that they agree with the DLC on the concept that DEMS should protect their president, Bush, from impeachment...

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