So Democrats voted NOT to confirm Mukasey 40-6. I'm proud of my party.

I'd rather have unanimous votes but the "no difference between Democrats and RePUKES" idiots are idiots.

...and stood up for the Constitution!

Oh wait....

nt

let me guess :eyes:

Schumer and Feinstein.

I did watch the last part and you are right, we had some terrific representation speaking against the Torturer.

That's not including reliable Democratic vote Bernie Sanders (I) and unreliable Democratic vote Joe Lieberman (I).

When Casey, McCaskill, Nelson FL, Salazar, American Hero Jim Webb, and both Senators from Montana, Arkansas and North Dakota voted 'No' their excuses ring hollow.

I'm just not sure whose idiocy pissed me off more Scummer (D?-NY) or Feinstein ($$-CA).

scummer, "...But he (Murkaskey) has made it clear that if Congress passed further legislation in this area, the President would have no legal authority to ignore it…"
And when scrubbie puts in his signing statement allowing himself to ignore the law, scummer and crew will go whine in the corner -- AGAIN!

feinstein ($$), "If we didn't vote to confirm him, Bush would have done a recess appointment with someone worse." By that logic she'd have voted for Franco because she'd be afraid Mussilini would have been the appointment. She's a knob!

It's Schumer (D-Torturer) and Feinstein (D-Torturer)

Send them a letter, and put it on the envelope for their staff to see.


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I hope their constitutents give them their just dues.

Clinton, Obama, Biden, Dodd and for completess, McCain...

And that they could have fillibustered.

and framed the issues so straightforwardly...I wanted to puke when my own lovely senator (Feinstein) got up and, basically, said her vote was one of expediency...

actually, I think I will... :puke:

Harkins was one of them, loved it when he said, the President, uh, King, like maybe four times. Then at the end he explained it was hard to tell the difference whether bush was president or king. The vote was a hugh downer.

was quite appropriate!

In fact, Reid apparently scheduled the vote tonight on request of the Repugs. It didn't matter to him that Clinton, Dodd, Obama and Biden wouldn't have a chance to get back for the vote; he had already surrendered.

Yeah, lots to be proud of there.

torture so much, and they view filibusters as a form of torture...

defeats. Which one is this? And how is it any different that any number of defeats and moral victories the public has had over the last 7 years? How many narrow, positioned, triangulated, negotiated votes does there have to be before people understand that the votes are known in advance and positioned for an outcome most desired by the most powerful? (This week's bizzare impeachment vote notwithstanding)

There's always just enough so that some can say that most dems were, overall, on the correct side of an issue, but there's never quite enough to get it done the way it should be done. Amazing. Cause for pride? Happy they appeared to "try"? Only if the bar is set quite low.

And that's where we are...low expectations, like a winless football team happy that at least they didn't get shut out this last time.

Not LBJ the President, but LBJ the Senate Majority Leader. The man who kept the Republicans in check during the Eisenhower administration. If Reid had one tenth the political skill as LBJ had, the Mukasey nomination would have been DOA in the Senate.

With respect, I think these people should avoid politics. It's just too frustrating for their sensitive natures.

Do you think they should agree when they don't? Why should they be hypocrites? They have the right to "throw snits" if that is how they feel. If an individual feels strongly about something that is what happens. I guess if it bothers you that much then maybe you should "avoid politics" because it just might be too sensitive for your nature.

So getting upset when the party you a part of supports a regime that has led to the deaths of millions of civilians.

Looks like someone needs to look into trying to be sensitive.

What a shameful display of politics as usual.

It isn't a game.

:eyes:

With respect, whenever I see a post like yours, that is what comes to mind.

the candidates were conveniently MIA.

We've shown that when we don't have the majority, we take it like a man.

:sarcasm:

The irony about the Democratic party is how we revel in our diversity...yet there are those who demand a strict party discipline when it comes to voting. They screamed, rightfully, about the ham-handed tactics of a Rove or DeLay, yet expect a similar response from Democrats to vote in lock step. They're rail at the 6 who didn't vote with the majority with scorn instead of looking closer at the entire playing field.

If Democrats are to be a majority, it must be willing to accept and work with many different points of view from many different backgrounds. Not all legislation that is good for one group is desireable for another...a Democrat from Lower Manhattan is not the same as one from rural Tennessee or Colorado...leadership can suggest, but I don't think any of us want one that extorts or bullies.

As usual the GOOP votes like a herd...leading their party off the political abyss as they attempt to protect their fading power while pissing off more and more voters.

as heinous as torturing fellow human beings? I don't know, I'm just in shock that we're even debating this, this is all just so depressing.

our country practicing torture. It's a weak party. It can't stop anything except a veto on water projects during drought even when it holds a majority.

such a slim majority in the Senate impacts upon outcome, but it does. And if the dems get 4+ seats more in the Senate, you will see a difference in voting patterns. History teaches us that much.

But it wasn't long ago that heinous rogue practices like torture would have been supported by no one in this country and Schumer and Feinstein could not vote this way and be politically viable at all. My purpose now in life is to fight all that would allow fascism as the norm in both parties no matter the excuse or reasoning.

They simply have no desire to be an opposition party.

There were not 60 Senators who supported the nomination.

In which case, your post is deliberate bullshit. On the other hand if you do not understand that our party could have blocked this nomination, and chose instead to allow it to pass, then you are simply naive.

wow your right, im so proud....


*rolls eyes*

democrats who folded on us :

Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Schumer (D-NY)

And democrats who decided politics was more important than the country :
NO VOTE

Biden (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY
Dodd (D-CT)
Obama (D-IL)

That's what majority parties do.

if they can't draw a line at torture, then we're truly lost. We need to work like hell for 2008 before we fall any further in the abyss. I agree with you though, the no difference crowd is ignorant and uninformed, or maybe they're just trolls.