I wasn't for impeachment, either.

But if they have time to waste with MoveOn crap, and declaring war crimes a century past, then they ought to be doing something productive.

I thought that impeachment would take too much time and resources. However, the leadership just can't find their way to get a lot of things done, so it seems to me that at least they ought to be discussing real issues.

I was wrong. I changed my mind.

it might be a 'distraction' from other crucial events, we are at risk as a nation every day Bushco stays in power.

air the charges against Cheney impartially in the MSM, and the country will be on board (actually, they already are).

if it proceeds, the demand for impeaching * will grow, too.

and then impeach clarence thomas for good measure.

House Democrats approved legislation on Friday to extend a host of popular tax breaks and shield middle-class families from the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) for one year, voting to pay for it with a controversial provision raising taxes on the private equity and hedge fund industries.

The move sets up a confrontation over pay-as-you-go budget rules with the Senate, where Democrats appear to lack the votes to offset the cost of a one-year AMT patch.

“This legislation helps restore tax fairness and — once again — demonstrates that this Democratic majority is committed to fiscal responsibility,” Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said on the House floor prior to the vote.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-passes-amt-patch-2007-11-09.html

I've been for impeachment since crime one, and I feel just as strongly about it now as I did then.

When people say "it would take time away from doing the people's work," I say, "This IS the people's work!" To oppose impeachment is to condone BushCo's crimes! To oppose impeachment is to empower BushCo to push the envelope even further! To oppose impeachment is to kiss our Constitution good-bye! To oppose impeachment is to empower future administrations to be just as evil, just as unlawful as the Bush administration!

Had we started impeachment when so many of us started sounding off about it, the process would have been close to finished by now!

I'm so pissed I can barely type!!!

to dethrone an unjust king from our shores, and every day was time well spent and every day letting these reckless ingrates trample
everything America holds dear while embracing tyrants who mock freedom around the globe for neocon objectives is disgusting.
We pay Pakistan 200 million a year and 100 million a month to their army alone.

:shrug:

I sent letters to Abercrombie back then... as the lies started to pile up

which includes a conviction. This, in addition to the prosecution of war crimes tribunals against all involved in the Iraq war for profit. The blood on their hands aren't addressed by impeachment, only a court of law can handle it.

I am fully in favor of Congress Kucinich's resolution to impeach Cheney and I hope Congressman Conyers does hold a debate on articles. Let's see what the evidence is and what violations have been committed. But, sadly, with out 17 cooperating Repugnicans, a conviction of even cheney isn't possible (I would love to be proved wrong) as that corrupt party is going down in flames and doesn't care about the law or fairness or accountability. All they care about is power.

There definitely needs to be hearing on both booosh and cheney's violation of the Constitution and if it's not possible to impeach now, I would strongly push for a retroactive impeachment once we have a larger Democratic majority in both houses and a Democrat in the White House.

In the meantime, evidence needs to be gathered...crimes need to be documented...we're just at the tip of a very big and corrupt iceburg.

... for them to get reelected! The more they are pushed on the question of impeachment, the harder it will be for them to get reelected. So if the right things are done, they will be faced with the Hobson's choice of either:

a) Vote to support their buddy George, but face a massively upset electorate and get voted out of office.

or

b) Vote to impeach Bush, and perhaps retain their seats in the coming election.

If the Republican Party collectively steps back and looks at these choices, they might stop to realize that if they go with option a, they run the risk of not only losing the presidency, but perhaps even put in a supermajority of Democrats who can give us constitutional ammendments up the wazoo to shut a lot of their agenda down PERMANENTLY! But they only get cornered if the Dems have a spine to do impeachment. Otherwise it will be open season on both sides to try and get corporatists out (that is if the general public is informed enough to realize this is what must be done in that instance).

The republicans got hurt in the last impeachment because they were on the wrong side of the issue. They are on the wrong side again. I think most see that, and with a debate, people will. This 9/11 changed everything bullshit is just that, bullshit. It didn't change what most *Americans* think the United States stands for.

Thanks for your response!

To me there are no signs that indicate anything is going to stop the * cabal, even impeachment. There are too many Dinos around and too many Dems with no interest but their own welfare. * and his minions are going to get off free as birds when all is said and done IMO.

When you say, "* and his minions are going to get off free as birds when all is said and done IMO," that's the same as saying you're accepting the fact that we're going to become a fascist dictatorship. Do we want that? It's up to us, you just need to have a heart.

It does not say that at all. It simply says they will get away with what they have done. You saw what happened in the Abramoff case. Will impeachment succeed? IMO,no. Do I want it to? Yes! My "heart" wants it to but reality has a way of throwing cold water on lots of wishes I have. I think you made assumptions that were not correct but you are entitled to do that. Just saying.

I favor impeachment and have done so for several years now. I want hearings and all of it laid out for the American people to see. Will it happen? Can't say but feel we must fight for the process to begin. Because impeachment is not the only possibility. Criminal charges would also be possible.

* is fighting for telecom immunity because if they don't get it the matter is going before the courts in the form of pending lawsuits. Experts are fairly sure the rulings will go against the telecoms and thus make warrantless wiretaps a crime. The WH is scared to death of this. Also, given how Rummy was rushed out of France after complaints were filed against him, there is a, albeit vague, chance that the Hague might come after them.

We need the process to start and if nothing else, impeachment would be the beginning of that process.

Also, according to polls, American are furious at this point. Imagine how they will feel in six months, a year. Little inclined to let any of the bastards skate I bet.

"How long? Not long, because you still reap what you sow. How long? Not long, because the arm of the moral universe is long, but it bends to justice. ..." MLKjr.

K&R.

I didn't want to be cynical, but mentioned pretty much the same thing when calling Congress. Just what is so important that they can't find time for the Constitutional pressure relief valve, when they can pass much less important things.

the kick in the ass to do something about it.

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for the Constitution!

How can they spend time with impeachment when there are important matters like that???

...and one that should be made daily in newspapers across the nation.

If they have time to waste censuring the legitimate exercise of free speech, and declaring "National Pig Day" (I made that up -- but there are plenty of examples) and the like -- then perhaps they might find time to prosecute actual criminality in our highest office.

Thanks for bringing it up!

I have been gone and not very active on this thread, but thanks to all for the input and the support.

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