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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:13 AM
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Are the American People going to be told that they want to have 'national healing' again?
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 07:13 AM by ck4829
We've heard it at the end of Poppy's administration, as he pardoned several convicted individuals tied to the Iran-Contra scandal.

I've always thought that this was a funny way to heal the nation, we don't tell communities that it's time for healing and then pardon thieves, rapists, and murderers.

What do you think we'll be told? Will we be instructed by the 'liberal' media to forget what happened during the Bush Administration, all the while the right wing machine that created the Bush Administration will be working hard to create something similar to it?

If we're truly going to get 'healing' then we need justice and a way to prevent those criminals from having power ever again, not pardoning them, telling us to move on, and then they go into darkness, planning to return to government some day, a bit wiser and just as corrupt.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:20 AM
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1. No healing--ever. America is in a state of civil war.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:33 AM
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2. Yes, let's have "national healing."
Let's start by throwing every Repuke and Repuke-enabler out.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:40 AM
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6. Let's learn from Desmond Tutu...
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 08:41 AM by Orsino
...and offer forgiveness after a full documenting of the crimes of our government. I'm not going to obsess over punishment if we can actually change course.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:50 AM
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3. I heard the forgiveness and healing words on the Thom Hartmann show.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 07:52 AM by fasttense
I couldn't believe him, I was furious. I was listening to a podcast, so I went to his board and explained that we needed to hold these people accountable, even after they left office. If we don't hold them accountable and punish them for their numerous illegal acts, then they will pop up again in a few years stronger and more politically connected (just think of all the power they can buy with all the money they stole). When we forgave them under Nixon, they showed up again under Reagan. When we forgave them under Reagan, they showed up again under the bushes. Forgiving these people does not work, they just keep coming back.

Then on a latter show, Thom said forgiveness did not exclude accountability and we needed to set up a commission like South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. But that Commission was a failure. Archbishop Desmond Tutu said in 2003 when he unveiled the Commissions final report, "Can you explain how a black person wakes up in a squalid ghetto today, almost ten years after freedom? Then he goes to work in town, which is still largely white, in palatial homes. And at the end of the day, he goes back home to squalor? I don't know why those people don't just say, "To hell with peace, To hell with Tutu and the truth commission.'"

The commission proposed a onetime 1% solidarity tax to be paid by corporations that had benefited from apartheid as reparations to the victims. Mbeki rejected any suggestion of corporate reparations. The South African government continues to pay the apartheid debt. In the first year after the handover, it cost the new government $4.5 billion in servicing the debt of their white masters. In contrast the government paid $85 million to more than 19,000 victims of apartheid killings and torture.

We can not use the failures of apartheid as our model because in the end the Truth and Reconciliation Commission provided only part of the truth and very little reconciliation from the white masters.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:51 AM
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4. First you have to lance the boil, and drain the pus...
cauterize the wound. Then you can have healing.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:22 AM
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5. Truth & Reconciliation
Criminal conservatives always want one without the other.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:02 AM
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7. Personally...
I'd rather have my government concerned with National Health than National Healing.
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