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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:34 AM
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Giuliani's Father Harold, Uncle Leo Were Mobsters - The Whole Story
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 10:47 AM by Dems Will Win

Harold Giuliani Uses a Gun to Rob a Milkman


Giuliani's father went straight in the Fifties, but before that Harold worked for Uncle Leo a member of the Brooklyn Mafia. All these family Mob connections should be known by voters as they consider Giuliani for President. This helps make sense of Giuliani's actions in the 1980s to help mobsters Mario Gigante for Mafia lawyer Roy Cohn, as well as Paul Castellano for then-Sen. Al D'Amato.

The crime occurred on April 2, 1934, at 12:05 p.m. in the unlit first-floor corridor of a 10-family residential building at 130 East 96th Street in Manhattan. Shortly before noon, old Giuliani and an accomplice positioned themselves in shadowy recesses near the stairwell. Within 10 or 15 minutes Harold Hall, a milkman for Borden's Farms, entered the building to make routine payment collections. As he began to make his way up the stairs, Giuliani emerged from the shadows and, according to the indictment, pressed the muzzle of a pistol against Hall's stomach. "You know what it is," he reportedly said. He forced the man into a nook behind the stairwell, where his counterpart was waiting. The other man plunged his hand into Hall's pants pocket and fished out $128.82 in cash.

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Two weeks before he was committed to Sing Sing, Giuliani underwent a psychiatric exam. Benjamin Apfelberg, a psychiatrist with the city's Department of Hospitals, sent his report to Judge Bohan on May 18. "A study of this individual's makeup," wrote Apfelberg, "reveals that is a personality deviate of the aggressive, egocentric type. This aggressivity is pathological in nature and has shown itself from time to time even as far back as his childhood. He is egocentric to an extent where he has failed to consider the feelings and rights of others."

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Most important, Vincent's Restaurant became the headquarters of Leo D'Avanzo's loan-sharking and gambling operations, ventures he ran with a partner, Jimmy Dano, who was a made man. Dano had once worked as a runner for the powerful numbers-racket operator and narcotics distributor James (Jimmy the Clam) Eppolito. and Leo had a secret wire room tucked in the back of Vincent's and employed a small army of as many as 15 runners. "There was a lot of booking and numbers and all that nonsense," Leo's former mistress of nearly 30 years, Elizabeth Mandelino, who was the daughter of the prior owner, Philomena. (The Mandelinos were related by marriage to the Eppolitos). "That's how they survived."

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That was the gist of Harold's job: enforce Leo's law through threats or violence. He shoved people against walls, broke legs, smashed kneecaps, crunched noses. He gave nearby Kings County Hospital a lot of business. "People in the neighborhood were terrified of him," said a frequent customer at Vincent's, who was one of Leo's son Lewis's best friends and whose family borrowed money from Leo. He remembers what happened early one Saturday morning after his own father failed to make a payment. "When I was a kid, my father borrowed money from Leo," he said. "He couldn't pay, so Harold came to collect. He knocked on the door and yelled, 'I want the money now, or I'm going to break both your arms!' "

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Gambling, loan-sharking, and booze weren't the only sources of income at Vincent's. A black man who worked in the payroll office at a local hospital would stop by the bar every week or so to give Harold several dozen fake paychecks. The checks were made out to a host of fictitious employees and were drawn on the hospital's bank account. "Harold would cash them in the bar," said Lewis's friend. "There would be several thousand dollars' worth of checks every week. Harold would get half, and the black guy would get the other half."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0027,barrett,16192,1.html


We need people to understand the Mafia background of the Real Rudy's family - and how he intervened for the two Mobsters named above in the 80s. All this helps make sense of his looking the other way when Kerik was so corrupt and Mobbed up.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:48 AM
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1. Shocked.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:58 AM
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2. Barrett's da man. K&R nt
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:59 AM
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3. Geraldine Ferraro anyone?
Wonder if any Democratic groups would ever do the same sort of stereotyping that the Repugs did to Geraldine Ferraro?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:00 AM
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4. We're allowed to tell everyone about Harold Giuliani's criminal history - even if he is Italian!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:03 AM
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5. Uncle Leo!! Helloooo!!
(sorry, couldn't resist).
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:13 PM
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15. Uncle Leo just stole a book
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:32 PM
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16. LOL!
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:06 AM
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6. I don't think we want to open this can ...
There may have been pohibition-era mob connections in some Democrats' ancestries.

Like a distinguished family of Democrats from MA.



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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:16 AM
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7. Fortunately none of them are running for President!
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:24 AM
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9. My thoughts exactly...
People won't look like hypocrites just because they say that Guiliani has mob ties and therefore can't be trusted, but JFK was one of our greatest presidents. :sarcasm:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:22 AM
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8. But, but but
the mafia took out a hit on Rudy. Why don't you believe MSM? :sarcasm:
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 11:51 AM
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10. Unless TV Media decide to get breathless on these points
it will not hurt Cuilliani.

So far, as one pundit put it. P. Robertson will help Guilliani
more than Kerik will hurt him.

We can have fun and joke but until TV Media is pushed
to cover this in a negative way--it is only fun for us.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:39 PM
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11. Stick em up!
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:45 PM
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12. The 2nd generation were either educated as lawyers or became cops
Rudy reminds me of the character Matt Damon played in "The Departed". He was basically set up by the mob and took out the enemies of his patrone.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:46 PM
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13. He also has a pretty solid track record on putting away mobsters
Rudy's bad news seven ways to Sunday, including his big blind spot where his corrupt lackeys are concerned, such as the mob-affiliated Kerik and the child molesting ex priest he's protecting. But one thing you can't pin on Giuliani is being tied to the mafia himself, despite the low-life criminal history of his father. What his father did is about as relevant as pointing out that George Washington's dad was a Tory Loyalist.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:07 PM
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14. That's not true. Giuliani helped lighten the sentence of Mario Gigante for Mob lawyer Roy Cohn
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 01:08 PM by Dems Will Win
He got the sentence of mobster Paul Castellano reduced for Al D'Amato, he let the school busses in NYC stay Mobbed up, he let Kerik get a multi-thousand dollar Tiffany badge from Mobsters, he let Kerik be appointed Commissioner even though he was warned he was mobbed up and there are other connections as well.

Also Kerik reported be was kissed on the cheek when let into the inner circle. Is it a joke or is it real? The mistresses and all the apartments and macho talk is Mob culture, and it is known that Rudy is Mob-obsessed in differing ways.

He even dressed up once as a moll!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:12 PM
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17. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:13 AM
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19. kick!
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:49 PM
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18. Like father, like son? Hmmm... I wonder...
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