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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:12 PM
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Iran Desk Whistleblowers and Waxman: Cheney Caught Manipulating Intel Again?
I've heard rumblings that Waxman's staff is working with "Iran desk" whistleblowers, who have provided evidence that Cheney's office has exerted pressure to manipulate the intel on Iran's nuclear program.

Might Waxman be setting up a "perfect storm" for impeachment - handing off the evidence publicly to John Conyers and the Judiciary Committee?

This might help explain the Administration's resistance to new whistleblower protections that Waxman has proposed: http://oversight.house.gov/search/search.asp?entqr=0&access=p&getfields=description.keywords&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=oversight_frontend&q=whistleblowers&num=20&filter=p&ud=1&site=default_collection&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=oversight_frontend&ip=143.228.146.22&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1

- Dave
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:13 PM
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1. K&R
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:14 PM
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2. Damn!
Impeach!
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:19 PM
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3. Oh please let it be true!
Cheney must go. K & R.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:25 PM
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4. From a Source I Trust n/t
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:30 PM
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7. That's good enough for me then
Thanks for the good news. :hi:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:31 PM
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8. Eh. I'd Prefer to See It...
... on the evening news.

; )

- Dave
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:26 PM
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5. I wish Waxman would go to Cheney's office
and make a citizen's arrest. No one in law enforcement seems to be doing anything.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:28 PM
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6. He's Too Methodical...
... to do something like that, but I understand the sentiment.

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:35 PM
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9. Cheney is too smart to
...uh, wait; no he isn't.

K&R, as hope springs eternal.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:42 PM
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11. Vacant Veep Spot
Let us now sing from the book of the 25th Amendment:

"Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

; )

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:39 PM
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23. Should it come to that, I predict
Cheney once again heads the VP search committee, and chooses Fred Thompson. He needs a shill, and Mary Matalin's already been placed in Thompson's campaign, along with other Cheney loyalists.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:41 PM
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25. Re-Read the Language...
... Bush can't recess appoint the position, as long as either house remains in session.

: )

BOTH houses have to approve the nominee.

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:54 PM
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28. I think you're ahead of me on this.
Do you think either house would reject Fred, as long as he stayed awake?

McCain might be an easier sell, but still, I couldn't see a big move to block any of the GOP candidates if nominated.

?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:56 PM
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29. Depends on the Vacancy's Timing...
... in fact, the only control Cheney may have left is to resign, to force the timing to precede the GOP nomination lock.

- Dave
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:45 PM
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55. Thompson - Tri-Lateral Commission
Interestingly enough, every administration since Carter has included a president or VP (in some cases both) who was a member of the Tri-Lateral Commission. Of the current candidates in the race, only Thompson and Clinton (by connection to her husband) are members.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:54 PM
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40. Couldn't Bush write an Executive Order appointing
anyone he chose as VP?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:57 PM
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42. Nope
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:02 PM
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43. That's what the Constitution says, but
Bush has issued so many of those Executive Orders and signing statements, I figure he'd just write something to appoint whomever he wanted as VP.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:09 PM
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44. Highly Unlikely
A. In itself, that would constitute an impeachable offense.

B. Who would accept such an extra-constitutional title?

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:17 PM
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45. another Bush?
:evilgrin:



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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:29 PM
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46. Who? Neil? Jeb Isn't Stupid Enough n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:36 PM
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10. Meanwhile, the lunatics in the White House are impossing sanctions
on Iran for no good reason. Sanctions -- and EU members are going along with it!

Not only that. The Resident and his crew of felons are sending in armed foreign fighters across the border, not to mention special ops forces. The only reason we're not already at war with Iran is because the Iranian government is MUCH SANER than ours is.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:59 PM
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14. There Are Other Reasons...
... we're not already at war, including some "go slow" tactics from sane-minded brass within the Pentagon. Some career officers are doing everything possible to run out the clock on this Administration.

- Dave
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:14 PM
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17. And what a job that must be. What a terrible position to be in.
My grandfather was a general officer who worked under a lunatic. The stress was so terrible it visibly aged him.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:16 PM
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19. They Take an Oath, Too...
... which is something many general officers are having to remind themselves, right now.

- Dave
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:41 PM
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24. That's in line with what I heard Wes Clark
say LIVE on Book TV today. General Clark said he had talked to some people at the Pentagon and they say thay are spending 50% of their time trying to prevent a war with Iran.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:45 PM
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26. He'd Make an OUTSTANDING ...
... Secretary of Defense, if not Veep.

Leaving aside his old rivals (many of whom would retire anyway), he'd reinvigorate the general staff, and be very effective at persuading mid-career officers to stay in.

- Dave
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:47 PM
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12. So can we call it Crimes against the Constitution and America
yet? Can we call it Treason?

Hey Nancy Pelosi, "Impeachment is off the table"......are you going to let them drag this country into another unwinnable war with a broken military? Hey Nancy let the American citizens know how far you are willing to go with "Impeachment is off the table"!!


Hey does anyone know how the Speaker of the House is replaced?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:14 PM
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18. Pelosi Would Be Next in Line...
... while the Veep spot was vacant, strangely enough:

"Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

- Dave
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:52 PM
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56. Maybe she would be a better VP than the position she is in...
I just don't know how you go into a fist fight with one hand tied behind your back and it's a slip knot?:shrug:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:55 PM
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13. How many times will that asshole be allowed to commit fraud against the U.S.A. before,....
,...he is impeached and convicted?

:banghead:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:16 PM
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20. Not only against us. There are over a million people DEAD
because of this felon. How many displaced? :shrug:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:27 PM
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21. Yes. He's a war criminal, too.
:cry:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:35 PM
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22. War Is (Still) a Racket
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:12 PM
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32. Refugees
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:31 PM
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31. His Day of Reckoning...
... is coming, I think.

- Dave
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:10 PM
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15. even if he has it and hands it off to conyers, will conyers actually do something with it??
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:12 PM
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16. If Compelling Enough...
... I think the info could create a tidal wave of demand, a la Watergate.

- Dave
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:53 PM
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27. How much more perfect could it get?
Waiting is simply letting them run out the clock.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:15 PM
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30. Timing Such a Play...
... just right would be vital.

- Dave
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:51 PM
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34. IMHO, the time is now or never.
The rat is being cornered and he knows it.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:08 PM
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35. Timing Matters...
... I'm as anxious to see it happen as anyone, but the timing of it *does* matter.

- Dave
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:41 PM
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47. Information matters MORE because,...
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 06:42 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
,..."timing" is dependent upon it. This regime has certainly advanced upon that proposition by intentionally forcing FALSE INFORMATION upon everyone.

Presently, the majority of the people would BACK aggressive actions toward accountability of this government. The majority of the people believe the war in Iraq is wrong/bad. The majority of the people believe this Congress is serving its own interests rather than the interests of the people. There are a RELEVANT number of former and active military taking a stand. There are a RELEVANT number of former intelligence taking a stand. There are a RELEVANT number of whistle-blowers taking a stand.

The accumulation is quite sufficient to go after these criminally corrupt mother fuckers.

Like I said, IMHO, the time is now.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:04 PM
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51. Building the Case: 31% Support Impeachment Now...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/31_want_cheney_impeached

That's a solid base, with a lot of undecideds available to switch - if the case is made carefully, soberly, and compellingly.

- Dave
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:32 PM
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33. K&R, time is running out for this administration...

they must either bomb Iran or allow an American city to get bombed in order to further their agenda. Impeachment is essential.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:28 PM
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36. Bombing Iran Might Spark Mass Resignations...
... in the general staff.

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:30 PM
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37. Does this have anything to do with $100 barrel oil?
and $800 oz gold?

I can see the stock market suffering from the subprime mortgages. But I'm not sure the high prices for oil and gold are a result of the poor stock market, or if there is something else going on that is driving up the prices of oil and gold.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:34 PM
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38. Good Questions
1. Gold is, historically, a "flight to safety hedge" when large money managers foresee major turbulence.

2. Stockpiling oil against the perceived likely prospect of major supply interruptions would help explain the sharp, sustained climb in the prices of that commodity. After all, China and India aren't selling *that* many new cars, or making *that* much new plastic to package goods.

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:48 PM
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39. 9/19/07 Pickens: Crude Oil Could Hit $100 by Next Year
Just a few weeks ago, oil was hovering around $80 barrel. What does Boone Pickens know?


Oil tycoon Boone Pickens told CNBC that the price of crude oil could hit $100 a barrel by next year.

While he sees that hundred dollar target in site, he added that some kind of geopolitical event might spark an immediate move upward. That scenario, he said, would send prices up and less demand in the second quarter of 2008.

more...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/20870131
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:55 PM
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41. Major Pipeline Maps - University of Texas Map Collection
The UT map collection of online oil maps is a very handy resource: http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&q=+site%3Awww.lib.utexas.edu+major+oil+pipelines+map

In-production and near-production pipelines in Central Asia and the Middle East (especially those traversing Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey, and former Soviet Central Asia republics) should be of special note to Americans right now.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:09 PM
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52. Soros and Gold
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:05 PM
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49. Bush cronies in Saudi Arabia (and Texas, for that matter)....
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 07:15 PM by AntiFascist
need a high price of oil in order to maximize their cash flows. These areas are past their peak oil production and will only see decreasing production capabilities. Iraq and Iran, on the other hand, can increase production and lower the price of oil while maximizing their profits. This, I believe, is why al Qaida in Mesopotamia exists: in order to disrupt the functioning of government and society enough to keep from exploiting their oil all at once, and maximizing cash flow to the Big Oil elite.

On edit: it should be pointed out that China is driving the increasing demand for oil, which is why they may be inclined to side with Iran.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:43 PM
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54. In Short...
... petro-politics make for strange bedfellows?

- Dave
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:01 PM
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48. k&r
~holding on to hope~
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:10 PM
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50. Go mr waxman....get the motherhumper
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:04 AM
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53. That's One Way of Putting It! LOL n/t
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