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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:28 PM
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Former AZ. Gov. Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/09/simington.ufocommentary/index.html?eref=ib_topstories">Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky

By Fife Symington
Special to CNN

Fri November 9, 2007

Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington will be moderating a November 12 event at the National
Press Club where he will discuss the Phoenix Lights incident. He says he will be joined by 14 former
high-ranking military and government officials from seven countries who will share evidence from what
they call their own UFO experiences and investigations.


(CNN) --

In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality.

I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights.


To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky. As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation. The incident was witnessed by hundreds -- if not thousands -- of people in Arizona, and my office was besieged with phone calls from very concerned Arizonians.

The growing hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally. I decided to lighten the mood of the state by calling a press conference where my chief of staff arrived in an alien costume. We managed to lessen the sense of panic but, at the same time, upset many of my constituents. I would now like to set the record straight. I never meant to ridicule anyone.
My office did make inquiries as to the origin of the craft, but to this day they remain unanswered.


Eventually the Air Force claimed responsibility stating that they dropped flares. This is indicative of the attitude from official channels. We get explanations that fly in the face of the facts. Explanations like weather balloons, swamp gas and military flares. I was never happy with the Air Force's silly explanation. There might very well have been military flares in
the sky that evening, but what I and hundreds of others saw had nothing to do with that.


more.....


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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:34 PM
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1. Yeah, he came out and
admitted that he saw it years after he made a mockery of the whole thing.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:39 PM
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2. He must have been embarrassed,
initially, is my guess. I wonder if DK will join him at the National Press Club?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:45 PM
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11. The mockery he made was Day Two or Three after the event and he looked scared shitless
Remember, he was UNDER FEDERAL INDICTMENT at the time.

Day One after the event, he came out loaded for bear! Growling at the Feds and Military, DEMANDING to know if that was one of their crafts and what was it doing parked over the largest metropolitan area in his state. He really came out swinging and I was amazed at his passion.

The event was seen (and filmed) by too many very credible witnesses from too many angles not to be taken seriously. Fife did that... at first.

Then came the mockery, complete with his chief of staff dressed in and alien costume that looked to have come off a Twilight Zone set (To Serve Man episode, to be specific). THAT'S when Fife went silly and tried to blow his earlier response off and make light of the whole incident.

Remember, he was facing federal charges at the time. If anyone can fine the video, you see a VERY fearful Fife trying to play the part of Jokester Gov. Somebody big got to him.

As I recall, he was convicted but did not face the highest sentence he could have been given. He got a cushie deal for his crimes. Payoff? Oh, just try and convince me otherwise.

Fife was furious and demanded the feds fess up about the UFO before someone called him to discuss his legal problems at the time... THEN he made a mockery of it all. It was the performance of his life, and he WAS performing FOR his life.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:58 PM
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14. Well . . . that makes some sense of what went on --!!! Are you in Arizona?
I like that he has come out now on it ... a nice surprise --

C-span covered some of this stuff at the National Press Club before ---
I hope they might do it again this time???

We keep seemingly coming to the point of no return on the UFO stuff --
but then it's pulled back by some ignoble force.

It seems pretty clear that WE are the threat to the universe and nature ---

And that the most violent and ignorant among us have captured this issue ---

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:07 PM
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29. Was in AZ at the time. No fan of Fife, I was amazed when he came out swinging at first
Not surprise when he folded like a cheap suit later. Not surprised when he got light sentence after conviction either.

Not surprised at all...

Now, about McCain and the ease with which he slipped the Keating Five knot only to fold up and kiss bush butt in 2004....

It's all the same. Blackmail and favors. Rome had nothing on the GOP of the USA.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:11 PM
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3. cool. My friends and I once spent the night out in the AZ desert just to watch the sky
for UFO's. No luck. :(
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:14 PM
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4. Is it in AZ or TX that there are strange, unexplained lights
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 04:15 PM by Breeze54
all the time and even researchers and scientists can't explain it?

I saw a show about it on PBS or somewhere. I can't remember now.

I know there are a lot of 'watchers' in NV, near Area 51 though!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:17 PM
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5. Marfa lights?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:24 PM
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7. I'll bet thats it!
'The Marfa lights or the Marfa Mystery Lights are unexplained lights (known as "ghost lights")
usually seen near U.S. Route 67 on Mitchell Flat east of Marfa, Texas of the United States.'


For the film, see Marfa Lights (film).
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marfa_Lights_%28film%29&action=edit

Reports of evidently similar strange nocturnal lights in this area have persisted all through the twentieth century, and they continue today. These reports often describe brightly glowing balls floating above the ground, or sometimes high in the air. Colors are usually described as white, yellow, orange or red, but green and blue are sometimes reported. The balls are said to hover at about shoulder height, or to move laterally at low speeds, or sometimes to shoot around rapidly in any direction. They often appear in pairs or groups, according to reports, to divide into pairs or merge together, to disappear and reappear, and sometimes to move in seemingly regular patterns. Their sizes are typically said to resemble soccer balls or basketballs.

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Thanks!! :hi:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:19 PM
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6. I've heard New Mexico too. nt
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:26 PM
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8. About the "Phoenix Lights"
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1998-03-05/news/the-hack-and-the-quack/

It is absurd that this got and still gets much attention.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:28 PM
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9. Why is it "absurd"?
:shrug:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:31 PM
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10. Read the article
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 04:40 PM by ThoughtCriminal
I lived near there. I've seen the same thing dozens of times from my back yard. Aircraft and flares.

(Edit spelling)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:00 PM
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16. "Aircraft & Flares" are "Doug and Dave" . . . .
for dummies --- you've been hoaxed.....




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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:13 PM
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21. I've seen military flares and aircraft formations in the same area
Identical to the video and eyewitness reports. I've wathed them naked eye, and with high power binoculars. I know what the Phoenix sky looks like that time of night at that time of year. I have spent thousands of hours observing asttronomical phenomena and aircraft. Other witnesses, who were able to observe the evnts with optical aid (telescopes and binoculars) saw multiple aircraft.

What the hell is Doug & Dave?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:30 PM
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23. Well, Simington disagrees with you -- so do witnesses -- and so do I ---
The "aircraft/flares" story is ridiculous ---

silly --- and to persist with it is to make it even more ridiculous.


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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:41 PM
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27. Silly?
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 06:42 PM by ThoughtCriminal
"Mitch Stanley, 21, spends several nights a week in his backyard with a 10-inch telescope, exploring the night sky. He's owned the telescope for about a year, and has learned the sky well. With its 10-inch mirror, the telescope gathers 1,500 times as much light as the human eye. And with the eyepiece Stanley was using on the night of March 13, the telescope gave him 60 times the resolving power of his naked eye.

That night Mitch and his mother, Linda, were in the backyard and noticed the lights coming from the north. Since the lights seemed to be moving so slowly, Mitch attempted to capture them in the scope. He succeeded, and the leading three lights fit in his field of vision. Linda asked what they were.

"Planes," Mitch said.
It was plain to see, he says. What looked like individual lights to the naked eye actually split into two under the resolving power of the telescope. The lights were located on the undersides of squarish wings, Mitch says. And the planes themselves seemed small, like light private planes. "

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"Mitch Stanley's sighting jibes well with witness reports that the configuration of the lights changed over time. In Prescott, for example, witnesses claim that one of the lights trailed the rest. Such evidence supports the claim that the lights were separate objects rather than one large craft. "

Edit - Link:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1997-06-26/news/the-great-ufo-cover-up/1


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:23 PM
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35. ....and now sillier. Mitch & Mom are no more believable than "Doug + Dave" . . ..
That you seem captured by this story is amazing . . .
but doubly amazing that you expect other people are going to believe it --- ???!!!


Maybe there were actually planes flying over Mitch's head ---

Who cares --- ?

Seemingly, they had saw no part of the sighting that everyone else saw --- !!!



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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:48 PM
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38. Same time and direction with better equipment
Sorry to burst your fantasy. You have made absolutely to attempt to produce any evidence or refute anything in the New Times article. You haven't even tried.





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:36 AM
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41. Their story isn't believable --- the witnesses stories are ---
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 02:40 AM by defendandprotect
Again --- the official government story is BS ---
the witnesses and the films are believable ---

PLUS, let's not act like this is scene I in some off-broadway show ---

This is one event of many, many thousdands --- all believable ---
what is it 3 million people have experienced in some way?
That's just the USA!!!

Huge wave of sightings in China, Mexico --- all over the globe.

Many events witnessed by huge numbers of people.

Symington's statements should make you rethink what you are being told.

If you want to see some interesting stuff --- try the Disclosure Project ---
http://www.disclosureproject.org/

If you want to see some interesting interviews, try this:--
http://www.projectcamelot.net/interviews.html









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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:23 PM
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12. There were two separate incidents that night.
One was the lights that are often shown on videos and the other was the huge craft that came down from northern AZ at a very slow speed with hundreds of witnesses along it's path of travel. There has not been a reasonable explanation for either event.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:34 PM
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13. The "Huge Aircraft" was a formation of smaller craft
This was identified by an amateur astronomer who observed them as a group fixed wing aircraft through a telescope (this is also mentioned in the article I posted).

Against a dark sky, a group of aircraft in formation can look like a single large aircraft. It also explains why some witnesses reported that the "craft" changed shape while being observed.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:02 PM
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17. That was the nonsense explanation ---
These craft are huge -- you can see the geometry behind them ---
and it has nothing to do with any of the ridiculous explanations that officials have thrown in.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:07 PM
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19. It was too dark to see any geometry behind it.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 06:14 PM by ThoughtCriminal
What you have pictures that prove that? READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE RESPONDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:28 PM
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22. No -- witnesses commented on it --- witnesses who are much more believable
than the phony official responses ---

In fact, the GEOMETRY behind the triangle can be seen on the FILMS that were made by so
many interested citizens ---

The attempts to deny this are ridiculous -- and, of course, they know it.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:36 PM
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25. The witness who observed through telescop was not an "Official"
You're eith ignoring the New Times article, or not reading it very carefully ( I should add that the New Times is one of the few mdeia sources in the Valley that is progressive and still does REAl journalism).

None of the video I've seen shows any geometry behind it. And I've seen a lot, if not all of it. I lived there then, the TV stations (especially Fox-10) showed this stuff a zillion times. Where are these "films"?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:38 PM
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26. In fact, the public have all become witnesses thru the FILMS . . . many of them extraordinary!!
Haven't read your article ---
I have heard what the witnesses have said --- and seen many of the FILMS ---

I have also heard the BS on the official story --- not believable.

If you can't see geometry behind the triangle on the films --- I think you need your eyes checked.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:46 PM
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28. So, where are these "Films"?
What "Geometry"? What did it pass in front of? Where was it when it passed in front of something?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:36 PM
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30. If you don't know where the films are, why are you here discussing this issue?
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:41 PM
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31. I HAVE seen the videos
But you are claiming there are films that contain something I have not observed. So where are the films you have seen that show "geometry" that you cannot describe?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:05 PM
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34. No -- I'm claiming that you are not seeing what you don't want to see ---
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:44 PM
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37. You are claiming to see something
you cannot describe and cannot produce.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:42 AM
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42. The government's nonsense replies have never been believed and never will be ---
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:01 PM
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45. Still waiting for even ONE picture that depicts what you claim
Search Google, Search You-Tube, even search UFO sights. None of the actual videos or pictures show anything but points of light.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:07 PM
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20. It was too dark to see any geometry befind it.
What you have pictures that prove that? READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE RESPONDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sonicmedusa Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:03 PM
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33. I SAW the Phoenix Lights.
It was NOT aircraft and flares, I don't care what the New Times had to say.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 08:43 PM
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36. As the other poster mentioned
there were two seperate sightings. You either do not know what aircrft released flares look like (exactly like the videos), or you probably saw the formation. There's a big difference between what you can see at night with the naked eye and waht can be resolved with a 13-inch telescope.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:59 PM
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15. Whaaat???? Are you kidding?
If you understand the event, the question is why it hasn't gotten even more attention --- !!!
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:06 PM
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18. I'll make the same suggestion
Read the New Time article. The hype over the lights is pure bunk.

Fife was a an extreme right wing corrupt republican governor. Probably one of the most corrupt in the country at the time (even by Bush standards). His career was going down in flames and he's just been pandering to whichever way the wing blows. The story of his conviction, appeal and pardon are even more amusing.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:33 PM
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24. People all over Phoenix saw the UFO lights and FILMED them ---
and witness accounts and the FILMS are believable ---

So is Symington NOW . . .

Again --- this is a tremendous story which isn't going away as you can see ---

and it deserves even MORE attention --- !!!


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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 09:11 PM
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39. And I might add that
the witnesses reported that the object that flew over made no sound. There is no way a bunch of small aircraft could fly over silently.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:18 AM
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40. LOTS of witnesses from LOTS of different vantage points
LOTS of them in professions that require high levels of training, especially in observation and critical thinking saw and reported that that object was huge and made no sound, along with moving slower than fixed wing craft we know about could fly.

Fife came out demanding any info the military and federal government had. Then, he came out with his tail between his legs and made nice, like somebody told him to.

Seems ol Fife has a conscience after all. (who knew?;) ) Now that his trial is over and sentence is served, he seems to be back to his original position. Something BIG and unknown flew over the Valley of the Sun that night and the truth is still being hidden.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 07:42 PM
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32. Did he see Kucinich driving it?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:56 AM
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44. Reagan saw one, Carter saw one, Dennis just wants to fit in
and be the leader of the free world too! No big deal.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:54 AM
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43. Not in Phoenix but a small town in the North East, the fire chief and the police
department saw "craft" UFO hovering over the power station.So did a lot of other citizens and the police station's phones lit up like Xmas. How do I know? Fire chief told me in whispered tones at a
Rotary meeting. He didn't sound or look like he was
joking. There have been sightings all over the world and in every country and by untold numbers of airline pilots.

Ridiculous that people laugh. More ridiculous to have the hubris to think that we are the only inhabited planet in the billions of galaxies in the universe.
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