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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:05 PM
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Suitcase nukes may be just be a myth
I remember hearing about how Soviets supposedly had these weapons, and then I remember hearing that Islamic terrorists may have them in their arsenal, so it's funny hearing how they may not even exist at all.

"Members of Congress have warned about the dangers of suitcase nuclear weapons. Hollywood has made television shows and movies about them. Even the Federal Emergency Management Agency has alerted Americans to a threat — information the White House includes on its Web site.

But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves. These officials said a true suitcase nuke would be highly complex to produce, require significant upkeep and cost a small fortune.

Counterproliferation authorities do not completely rule out the possibility that these portable devices once existed. But they do not think the threat remains.

"The suitcase nuke is an exciting topic that really lends itself to movies," said Vahid Majidi, the assistant director of the FBI's Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate. "No one has been able to truly identify the existence of these devices.""

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071110/ap_on_go_ot/tale_of_the_suitcase_nuke
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:07 PM
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1. Good to know. nt
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:18 PM
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2. W54 warhead
More of a "Backpack nuke" - about 50 pounds. Probably not something a terrorist organization could assemble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:27 PM
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3. 164 pounds
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:36 PM
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4. The warhead is 51 lbs
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 04:59 PM
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5. Oops, I was thinking of the Mk-54 SADM...
it weighed 164 pounds including the carrying case.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:02 PM
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6. Not something a terrorist organization could assemble.....sure......
...but what about a loose nuke form the former Soviets? I'm quite sure they had their little gadgets.

Basically, the Yahoo article is a waste of pixels.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:01 PM
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8. A loose nuke?
Even if someone did manage to get ahold of some nukes, they would still require upkeep.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:04 PM
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9. I won't argue that.
My point is - it's silly for the article to say they don't exist. That said, it's not something I lay awake at night worrying about.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:54 PM
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14. An interesting article from my other favorite site, "DamnInteresting.com"


http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=783#more-783

The Atomic Battle Group was charged with the protection of Europe between 1961 and 1971, and during those ten years 2,100 of the Davy Crockett Weapons Systems were deployed. In the event of a Soviet invasion, these elite squads were trained to deploy themselves in the path of the advancing formations. Once in position, a flurry of mathematics would provide the trajectory and flight time to the targets, and these data would be used to configure the launchers for maximum carnage. A test shot with the integrated 37mm spotting gun would verify the operators' angle and timing calculations. The three men would then unpack a shell from its carrying case, set the timer knob to detonate the warhead roughly twenty feet above the target, and dial in their preferred yield of ten or twenty tons.

Upon receiving the order to fire, Davy Crockett would leap from its perch with a bang and a cloud of smoke, racing through sky in a long arc to intercept the advancing enemy. The rudimentary atomic bomb did not include an abort feature, so Davy Crockett was committed to destruction once it was en route. Even with the help of the spotter gun and rifled barrel, both of the Davy Crockett launcher designs were somewhat sloppy in their accuracy, so the detonation was likely to be several hundred feet from the target. Moreover, the shells' relatively small yield didn't produce a great deal of blast damage even at the highest setting. But the weapon's tendency to spew radiation over the battlefield made up for its shortcomings as an explosive.

Less than a minute after launch, the detonation timer would tick off its final second over the target area. Few specifics are available about the weapon's internals, but it is likely that it contained a thirty pound hollowed-out wad of plutonium wrapped in beryllium and shape charges. Upon detonation, the shape charges would use a precision shock wave to crush the cavity in the center of the plutonium and press the nuclear material into a small area. Radioactive nuclei tend to eject neutrons, and once the material is crowded into a tiny space these flying neutrons start to hit and split the nuclei of neighboring plutonium atoms. As each atom splits, an abrupt spray of energy is released as well as more neutrons which can go on to split even more nuclei.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:04 PM
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7. you mean the one i bought
is fake?????

sure hope i saved the reciept...
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:09 PM
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10. Did it look like a toaster and have "Some Assembly Required" on the box?
Forget the receipt. Big Joe has discontinued the WMD sales and is back to selling Magic Toilet Bowl Cleaner and Do It Yourself Hair Plugs.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:25 PM
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11. Bad sign when someone says something like that.
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 06:32 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
So, they would be difficult to make and maintain, and very expensive. Well, that's put paid to them, then. No worries there.
Specially if they've featured in films, etc. Three Days of the Condor? Parallax View? Very fanciful stuff!

"The suitcase nuke is an exciting topic that really lends itself to movies", said Vahid Majidi, the assistant director of the FBI's Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate."

When I read who the author was, I burst out laughing! And I loved his next gem:
"No one has been able to truly identify the existence of these devices." Truly been able to? As if those in a position to do so, would deem it prudent to hold forth about it to the public. What would "truly identify" mean, in any case? Provide the blueprint for the press?


And considering most terrorism is state-sponsored, anyway....! Does he see major terrorist organisations as basically three men and a dog?

A more waffly, equivocating article it's difficult to imagine.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:41 PM
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12. When I studied in Russia in '95, we read in the paper that they had them.
According to what we read, Russia had 13 suitcase bombs but had lost at least three of them and didn't know where they were. Several papers carried the story, and we talked about it in class, I remember. It scared all of us.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:45 PM
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13. Oh damn. NOW what do we use as an excuse to allow torture? n/t
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