Spain's king to Venezuela's Chavez - "shut up"

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:21pm EST SANTIAGO (Reuters) -

Spain's King Juan Carlos told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday to "shut up" during closing speeches by leaders from the Latin world that brought the Ibero-American summit to an acrimonious end.

"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez, pointing a finger at the president when he tried to interrupt a speech by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

Zapatero was in the middle of a speech to the summit of mostly leftist leaders from Latin America, Portugal, Spain and Andorra, and was criticizing Chavez for calling former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a fascist.

Chavez, a leading leftist foe of Washington, also attacked Spanish businessman Gerardo Diaz Ferran earlier in the week after he questioned the safety of foreign investments in Venezuela.

"I want to express to you President Hugo Chavez that in a forum where there are democratic governments ... one of the essential principles is respect," Zapatero told the leaders gathered in the Chilean capital, Santiago.

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The King and the Bolivarian President. Too funny.
Have at it.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

Hmmmm...

I just found the story funny.

and this in a country that has few deep roots for it. The fascists trained him to carry on their rule. He betrayed them and expanded democracy where few thought it would be able to succeed. He's a 20th century hero.

Read history before forming opinions, please.

Juan Carlos helped avoid a rekindling of the civil war after Franco's death, and his actions at the time certainly should be considered progressive. He was a key player, but claiming he 'is the reason Spain is a democracy' is a bit of a leap.

I hereby downgrade my hyperbole.

I still think he's a better man than Hugo Chavez.

I´m from spain and i can tell you king Juan Carlos was the MAIN key player for the spanish democracy.
And i tell you more, he´s more respected by socialist (or communists) than by conservatives.
An international leader said (i thought it was mitterrand) "he is the only socialist king i´ve ever met".
He had never lost control before...

sorry about my english :)

:hi:

At least when he was a youngster. Comes from a long line of dubious folks. His grandfather Manuel Aznar Zubigaray, was a prominent fascist journalist. His father - Manuel Aznar Acedo continued the family heritage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Aznar

and it's only partly that it's a King telling an elected socialist President to shutup. It's largely in the fact that Juan Carlos was rude in calling out Chavez' rudeness. At least that's what struck me as humorous.

Chavez is an anti-fascist. A king doesn't want people to hear the truth.

Funny, I thought he was a socialist. And he was the one coming down on Chavez. As for your statement that a king doesn't want people to hear the truth, that has zip to do with what happened here, and it's simply a broad assertion that's virtually meaningless.

Don't let facts get in the way of your sloganeering though.

Spain has come a long way, and I think Juan Carlos has little power to do anything ..

Chavez runs the whole show in Venezuela..

a king would automatically reject socialism..more for the others, means less for him :)

a socialist. And it was Zapatera, a socialist, who was laying into Chavez, another socialist.

interrupting Z :shrug:

Anzar is the fascist. Zapatera was defending him. Chavez was shouting out why he called Anzar a fascist. The king didn't want to hear it. Ortega ceded his time later so that Chavez could make his argument and when he did that he said that Venezuelans will tell the truth whenever it's required.

It's not about being rude.

you are amusing. All Chavez had to do was wait, and not interrupt, but he couldn't manage that. Continue on with your hero worship.

:rofl:

Now it's not funny though.

I actually had no idea that Aznar was from a prominent fascist family. I thought that was interesting. You didn't. Fine. What are we going to bicker about next?

and I wasn't telling you what to think. I was explaining what I thought was amusing. Really, it's that simple.

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm

to Spanish corporations, and Spain's intervention in his election?

http://www.antena3.com/a3noticias/servlet/Noticias?destino=../a3n/noticia/noticia.jsp&sidicom=si&id=13286798

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2260759&mesg_id=2260759

Again, it sounds like the King just doesn't want to hear the truth, and this is more about politics than it is about manners.

Haha!


and :hi:

free speech. All the signs are there.

Chavez is the democratically elected president. He was elected in fair and open elections, far more open and fair than any elections we run up here. Term limits or the lack thereof do not define a dictatorship. Limited rule by decree is both constitutional and normal in Venezuela. Chavez's decree power is limited to economic issues and is under the oversight of the legislature. In addition, Venezuela has a recall system which allows for the people to remove a president from office by popular vote at any time. Free speech is alive and well in Venezuela, which has diverese media ownership, many independent broadcast and print media outlets, and quite a lot of very vocal dissent. On the other hand if your TV station backs a failed CIA sponsored coup, you probably will not get your license for that station renewed.

As you appear to not understand what a dictatorship is, might I suggest a dictionary?

Here, wiki says: In contemporary usage, dictatorship refers to an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state.

Or, better yet, see Pakistan or Egypt or Jordon or Saudi Arabia, all of which are long standing dictatorships that somehow never come in for the sort of criticism that Chavez gets.

The country of Jordan is a Constitutional monarchy run by King Abdullah II al Hussein (the royal family are descendants of the Prophet Muhammad) and a Parliament (the Prime Minister is Marouf al-Bakhit).

You should add Sudan and Zimbabwe to list of countries that don't get criticized as Chavez.

All power is vested in the King and his counci of advisors. A rubber stamp legislature can theoretically veto his actions, but this never happens as there are nothing like free elections for legislative seats. Recent plans to democratize the system are in the process of being abandoned over fears that the currently disenfranchised palestinian majority will elect an islamist legislature and take control of the country from the monarchists.

Great Britain is an example of a democratic constitutional monarchy, Jordan is not.

We like to pretend that abusive heriditary autocracies like Saudi Arabia and Jordan are not dictatorships, as being honest about who our allies are lays bare the hypocrisy of our foreign policy, but they fit the definition.

My list was not meant to be comprehensive. Lots of other nations belong on the list.

it's primary responsibility, to provide checks and balances of power. When you give a "President" the power to rule by decree, you cease to be a democracy. As for his "fair and open" elections, after King Hugo won power, he chose Jorge Rodriguez to be his Vice-President, the former chief of Venezuela's electoral council. And free speech is alive and well if you're a King Hugo supporter. If you're not, and you want to demonstrate, becareful of rubber bullets, and some real ones too. He also rules by fear, the same way Bush does. Except instead of terra, terra, terra, it's CIA, CIA, CIA, and America, America, America. Instead of freedom for security from terrorists, it's freedom for security from America.

And about Wiki: "Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information" - Michael Scott

Just because Chavez gained power through democracy, doesn't mean he's preserving it. And just because he hates Bush, doesn't mean we cover our eyes of his dictator-like behavior.

1) anti-royalist, anti-elitist, which classes I regard as left-over parasites.

2) anti-Fascist.

3) anti-AZNAR and anti-Shrub, having said back at the FAKE alliance of AZNAR defying 90+ percent of his country's will and his country's religious leader's will, that Shrub had just hit it off with him because Shrub had to look hard to find world leaders shorter than him.

4) and despite having enjoyed it when CHAVEZ called Shrub Satan and smelling of sulphur.



===========Despite all of these things, I am thoroughly enjoying parasite Juan Carlos telling CHAVEZ to STFU!1


Ordinarily I would Alert on all CHAVEZ threads and request they be confined to the Latin American forum where I would never see them. And fresh from another one a couple of days ago in LBN where there was the usual CHAVEZ flamefest--yet, I just LUERVE this!1

Please, this is in the same vein as my cussing at the t.v. every time Shrub's puss is on it. I don't need the lectures on how unintellectual my post is, how I'm spouting White House and/or M$M "talking points," *or* any other flaming thing that glorifies CHAVEZ.

...visiting last May

of Opus Dei, he should shut up!

he´s not. Read before post. That is just ridiculous.

I voted aznar in the same way i voted zapatero in last elections, and i do not permit someone told me i´m a fascist.

tell me exactly where you read JC is a member of Opus Dai.

Do you think a member of opus day, head of state, would permit gays to get married?
Do you think he had permitted his son to marry with a divorced woman?

Trust, he is not a member of Opus Dai, in fact, Opus dai don´t like this king.

...these people are CIA stooges, plants on the payroll of Bushco, for "the Chavez" can do no wrong.

but HannibalBarca, I like you username.:D


Back on topic...

I wish it escalated into a bitch fight. Oh well, maybe next time.:evilgrin:

Yes, somebody posted in another thread that perhaps it was something polite, that tone and gestures might "soften" it. HAH!1 I just saw it on Univision, and the King-a-ding-ding was totally PISSED and leaned forward out of the row of peeps to say it to CHAVEZ face to face. Some English language descriptions are saying it was the words and tone "used (in anger) WITH CHILDREN." On the tape, the dude said, "?Por que no TE CALLAS?!" (Why don't you SHUT UP?! with the familiar TU (te), not the formal usted.)

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Spain's King Juan Carlos (R) shouts at Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, "Why don't you shut up?" after Chavez interrupted the speech of Spanixh President Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero(L), on the last day of the XVII





A combination photo shows Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speaking during a speech at the closing session of the XVII Ibero-American Summit (right photo) and Spain's Prime Minister Jose Luiz Rodriguez Zapatero (L)

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