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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:49 PM
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Colorado Supreme Court Gives Green Light to Restore Personhood to the Unborn
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 06:53 PM by pepperbear
Source: Christian Newswire

DENVER, Colorado, November 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- After weeks of review, the Colorado Supreme Court has just released a decision granting Colorado for Equal Rights permission to move forward with a ballot initiative to restore personhood to human beings from the moment of conception.

Presidential candidate Dr. Alan Keyes, along with American Life League Founder Judie Brown, will speak about the necessity of such an initiative.

Colorado for Equal Rights will now begin gathering the 76,000 signatures required to put this issue on the November Ballot. This Constitutional Amendment will redefine the term "Person" in three parts of the Colorado Constitution to mean from the moment of fertilization.

Despite two unanimous votes from the Title Board, the petition was appealed based on claims that it dealt with more than one issue. The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that the petition was, indeed, a single-subject issue and affirmed previous rulings by the Title Board.


Read more: http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/282464756.html
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:51 PM
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1. Sick fucks
That's all I've got to say.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:53 PM
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2. 'restore'...was that when women were chattel..that 'restore'????
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:55 PM
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3. That's the one
Restore the status of women to ambulatory flowerpots with no right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:05 PM
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5. All hail the omnipotent zygote - Lord of all.
What's that? What's a 'woman?' Oh, she's an expendible conveyance machine.
Amen. God be praised. Hellish-luia.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:07 PM
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6. can you do screen plays?? the zygote that took over manhatten...
sounds more scary than 'the fog'...
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:16 PM
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7. "Mothra and the Twin Zygotes" kinda stuck in my brain.
Doubt whether ABC or Dreamworks would touch it though.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:00 PM
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4. The Dune series of books had another name


AXLOTL TANK:

An axlotl tank is essentially a brain-dead woman whose womb is used as a tank to create gholas.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:24 PM
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8. that's so stupid
I wonder if parents' can count the fetus as a tax deduction. I'd love to know how many pregnant women are killed each year? I know many are abused. It's a pretty high rate for something you wouldn't dream of. I wonder if an abuser can be charged with threatening the fetus, he beats up a pregnant wife or girlfriend. If you kill a pregnant women in a car accident, do you get charged with 2 murders, if the fetus dies as well? This reminds me of the Hate Crime Bill, that the Republicans, seem to freak out about. They don't get why there would be an extra penalty for the racist intent, ie you couldn't give the perpetrator more than one death sentence. Please ignore all bull shit I just wrote, it's just me thinking out loud. Everybody knows this is a way to erode a woman's right to an abortion, by making it a murder, of a live person. Birth control is one last bastion of womens right to control her own body. I truly believe that Religion, should just keep it's big nose out of the legal system. If the unborn were living breathing persons it would have been deemed so a long time ago. How can it be that people were smarter 100's of years ago, than they are now????
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:25 PM
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9. Their concern for the unborn is so touching
I wish they had as much concern for the millions of actual living people. But what do you expect from the right?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:53 PM
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13. They don't give a fuck for the living
Their take is if you are poor ---- you are lazy
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:31 PM
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25. I believe the phrase is...
"Life begins at conception and ends at birth"
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:31 PM
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10. Does that include
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 07:31 PM by edwardlindy
caviar ? :shrug:
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:39 PM
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11. Let them prove they even exist
How do they propose to do that? Back again to the Tampon Patrol?
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sss1977 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:50 PM
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12. personhood for a dividing cluster of cells?
How about instead they move forward with a ballot initiative to restore personhood to the Iraqi people and other citizens of foreign sovereign nations as being living breathing human beings with real rights to life?

Now THAT would be "pro-life".
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:14 PM
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20. I'd Settle For Home-Based Habeus Corpus
anything more and I'd die of a stroke.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:59 PM
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14. So if a fetus is conceived by say a French couple visiting Colo...
and they return home to France, when the child is born in say Paris, is the kid now an American citizen?
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Ammonium Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:18 PM
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15. So stupid.
Wait for the fallout from miscarriages that will now become manslaughter cases.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:35 PM
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16. The first thing the fetus should do is apply for welfare.
It's obvious that he/she has no visible means of support.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:41 PM
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17. Will this lower the drinking age in Colorado by nine months? n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:54 PM
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18. now we know the Republican strategy for getting out the fundie
vote in Colorado next November. I wonder if this will pass? I don't think it will, really - the whackjob right has lost a lot of power in CO these last couple of years. It could have an effect on the Presidential election, however. Which is probably the whole point.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:00 PM
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19. Well at least there are 49 other states to live in... n/t
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Neurotica Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:27 PM
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21. The first step in making birth control illegal
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:37 PM
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22. all of these good points better be brought up if it gets on the ballot
which I'm assuming it will.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:43 PM
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23. i didn't even think to check here before i posted this in gd
this ballot initiative makes me absolutely sick
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:09 PM
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24. I'm actually pro-life based on science. Not from conception, but I think at a certain point, one
has to acknowledge that a fetus with brainwaves that can be recorded(at around 6 weeks), and a heartbeat(at around week 4) is much more then just a "zygote" or "cluster of cells". In my opinion, ignoring science on this subject is tantamount to ignoring the science on subjects like climate change. Science shouldn't be cherry picked depending on the issue. That being said, I disagree with applying
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:00 AM
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27. Snerk. What else are you? "Based on science," that is?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:39 PM
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37. Brainwaves do not trump my right to bodily integrity. Period.
BTW, can I assume you're vegan? Cows, pigs, chickens etc all have brainwaves and heartbeats.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:03 PM
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40. I swear, sometimes at DU I think I'm reading The Onion.
:rofl:
I'd like to think I can tell the difference between satire and serious, but I really have trouble sometimes. I'm assuming you're serious.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:12 PM
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45. Too late to edit.
I read your post a second time, and I can see your point, a little bit. It's very true that there is a gradual progression of fetal development, and there does reach a point in development where the fetus is close to being a recognizable infant.

Science also tells us that the fetus is not able to survive outside the mother's body, up to a certain point in development.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:53 AM
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26. The Colorado Supreme Court is bat shit crazy and Allen Keyes
is worse than a turd in a punch bowl.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:09 AM
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29. you're wrong.
The CO Supreme Court is a fairly liberal court, with 5 of the 7 judges having been appointed by Democratic Governors.

This is a decision on the legality of placing this issue on the ballot - it does not endorse the issue.

Or Allen Keyes.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:13 PM
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42. Nice job by the Christian group using a misleading headline...
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 02:13 PM by redqueen
:rofl:

I wonder how the vote will go...
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:52 AM
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28. "Colorado for Equal Rights"?
what's their next project, legalizing gay marriage? No? Didn't think so. Bunch of hypocrites.

A women's right to self-determination over her body trumps any supposed right to life for a fetus. Once it leaves the womb, it's an entity that can be cared for by another person. But up to that point, the woman carrying the fetus is the one who has the first and last say on what goes on with her body, and that includes abortion. Sorry, fundies. You can't call it "Equal rights" if you take away one-half the population's fundamental right of body integrity.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:09 AM
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33. Equal rights? Hah!
What about equal rights for Alan Keyes' Lesbian daughter, the one he kicked out of the house and out of his family?

"Dr." Alan Keyes? What does he have a doctorate in? Fundy bullshit? Oh, well, * has a masters degree, too.
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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:28 PM
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38. His PhD is in Government Affairs
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:11 PM
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41. Oh, yes, I remember all this now.
Quite a bit of information came out about his background when he ran against Obama for senator from Illinois.

I remember all the business about the death threats, too.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:55 AM
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30. I want full rights for the pre-conceived!
I'm thinking about having 100 children. Can I get a full tax credit for each of my pre-conceived?
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:49 AM
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32. Each of my cells wants equal recognition!
They're all potential humans after all, with cloning and whatnot.

If someone's against abortion, and reasonably argues their point, I respect that. I can't respect shenanigans like this. It's like arguing how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:45 AM
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31. somebody ought to offer up a tradeoff deal
grant "personhood" to the unborn only on the condition that "personhood" is stripped from corporations....
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:27 AM
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34. Real "Personhood" begins at 35 years after birth
Before that you can't even run for President, so you are not a full-fledged Person.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:57 AM
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35. I wonder how this will affect IVF
all those snowflake 'persons' that get thrown out - I somehow doubt that would go over very well.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:29 PM
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36. Rights of the un-born will overshadow the mother.
Pregnant women will be prosecuted for reckless endangerment and be imprisoned to protect the unborn.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:29 PM
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39. I'd like to see this pass a legal challenge if it is actually enacted
All this decision does is give the fundies the ability to go forward with gathering signatures.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:26 PM
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43. If every sperm cell and zygote is an unborn person, maybe they should start
arresting men who are wasting sperm and women who are menstrating.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:04 PM
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44. yeah but all they have to do
is canvas the springs,G.J. and Weld county... plenty of religious pinheads there. We will be voting on it.
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