"Democrats for Ron Paul": Just saw these people today at an intersection

Ugh. What is with these people? Don't they get it? If they want an anti-war candidate, why aren't they for Kucinich?

They have a difficulty with the progressive label, and if you ask, they don't really know what Ron Paul stands for ....except, they think, something different.

Most of them don't know where he stands on other issues and unfortunately, some of them don't care.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

* Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
* Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
* No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
* No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
* End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
* Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

And across the street from the Jews for Jesus?

Sorry Kucinich, no one who advocates the complete abolition of private handgun ownership is likely to get elected as Pres. in the US. Nor should they be.

unless you feel a Kucinich Presidency would be that of a dictatorship.

Its a classic non-sequitur.

Those little factoids come in handy now and again.

I'd rather have a President who advocates a ban on handgun ownership than a President who advocates negating Roe v. Wade. Somehow, having more guns available along with more babies who aren't properly cared for doesn't strike me as a healthy recipe for the future of society.

Jesus, what Dem would advocate for more privatization of our government? What Dem would advocate for public education, social security, and Medicaid to be eradicated?

I really think that most of the voting population operates on, at best, half truths & partial knowledge. We can scoff at people for being idiots voting against their own best interest, but most people just don't have the information that they need. We need to focus on how to get that info to them.

who have decided to play ANY two sides of any issue off against one another, for the benefit of the fabled "third thing", be it Libertarian, Green, neo Neo-Cons, or Anarchists. It's the high level of disatisfaction with both Republicans and Democrats that makes this possible. The internet has inspired a lot of "trolls" and double-agents out there amongst the grassroots activists.

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Listening to Air America today, I must have heard a Ron Paul campaign commercial air about seven times between 12 noon and midnight. I don't get it. I agree with him about Iraq, but the rest of his ideas are all non-starters for me.

and are looking for an alternative to Republican front runners.

yards.

CRAZY!

of church and state.

Those aren't Democrat positions, those aren't "libertarian" positions- those are theocratic right-wingnut positions.

But the lesson of the Ron Paul candidacy is that there are small-l libertarian minded people on ALL sides of the political fence that aren't being spoken to by the powers-that-be. What our party OUGHT to do, instead of chasing endlessly after "values voters" and seeing how GOP-lite we can make ourselves- is advocate a strong personal freedom agenda combined with a solid ledger of domestic social safety net and infrastructure improvements.

End the Iraq war. End the drug war. Legalize and tax marijuana. Stand up strong for Reproductive rights and the right to contraceptive access- and if Jesus-drunk pharmacists insist on holding womens' pill prescriptions hostage, make the pill available OTC. Advocate a SPHC system- nothing less will do. A livable minimum wage. End the "wars" on consenting adult behavior and entertainment. Get government out of peoples' bodies, bedrooms and bloodstreams. Fix our nation's infrastructure, invest in High Speed Rail, invest in a manhattan style project to develop clean, renewable ways to power our society. Let's have fiscal responsibility, and lets start by cutting the Half-Trillion a year Military-Industrial Complex down to something sane.

People are tired of the same ol' same ol'- they want new answers, brave answers, people willing to challenge the status quo. That's the lesson of Ron Paul, even though he's wrong on a whole shit-ledger full of stuff.

and maybe anti-choicers too. Certainly not progressives.

I showed him his anti-choice, social darwinistic views on a site. All words were his own.